(October 2, 2013 at 7:10 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists

Some claim that it is impossible to prove that God exists. But the word of God declares otherwise.

Romans 1:19-20explanation, of an origin without God, is totally false and contradictory.

Therefore, a second irrefutable proof of the existence of God Almighty the Creator can be made. Assume indeed that atheistic origin science is correct, and all of the creation can be explained without God by the laws of nature and random chance. As will be shown, this assumed theory will prove to be false. And since the only alternative to a Creator is false, then again the fact that the Creator, God Almighty, exists will have been proven again.

Sorry - but YOU make an irrefutable error - in your logic - that renders your claim false.

YOU used the bible - a compilation of MYTH and LEGEND -= and called it the word of god. THAT is a condition that YOU cannot prove to be true.
We can prove that the ENTIRE bible was written by humans - and no one can prove otherwise.

As far as the VAST complexity of living things - we can PROVE that there never was a time when ALL of the living things of the world existed at the same time (Which disproves creation) - through archeological studies.

However - the fact that there is a vast complexity of life supports EVOLUTION - and an earth that is Billions of years old - since it would require that time for that many different species to evolve. DNA studies have already proven that ALL life on earth descended from a COMMON initial life - and evolution is already proven to have happened on earth and is still happening. IT is no longer a theory - it is a fact. So - your claim that there is NO alternative to a creator is false - itself is NOT True - it is simply an assumption YOU made based on NO PROVABLE basis.

Sorry - but there have been Hundreds of GODS - thousands of gods - and the problem with them is that they are ALL mythical concoctions of the imagination of humans - nothing more. ALL of the stories of ancient gods - including yours - have PROVABLE errors in them - that establish that they are Not true.

(October 2, 2013 at 5:08 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: Whatever the answer turns out to be, you can bet your ass it wasn't Yahweh playing mad scientist before turning his attention to the really important things like prohibiting people from eating shellfish or wearing blended fabrics.

This is the whole point that RPG keeps missing: even if the Final Answer To Everything does in fact turn out to be not just a god but his god, he's still not remotely justified at this time to start from that conclusion. None of the evidence - literally 100% none of it - has so far even suggested there's anything with a face behind the laws of the Universe.

Investigating whether some flavour of divine power was involved or even necessary in creating and maintaining the cosmos would actually be a legitimate research project. However, filing the question of how you would test for it in the "not my problem" drawer for a moment, when the results come in and the answer is no gods to be found, it's time to abandon the initial hypothesis. Sadly, creationists are as keen to do that as they are to do the work.

Ok, SDP, let's run with this. You are saying, essentially, that complexity points to a creator. More, that complexity can only be explained by a creator. Would the creator, by definition, be more complex than its creation?

(October 2, 2013 at 5:37 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: The vast amount of information and complexity in living things is unexplainable than by any other cause but a Creator./

Only if you ignore the mountains of evidence for evolution.

(October 2, 2013 at 5:47 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote:

(October 2, 2013 at 5:37 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: The vast amount of information and complexity in living things is unexplainable than by any other cause but a Creator./

Only if you ignore the mountains of evidence for evolution.

When you say a mountain I guess you mean 0.

Quote:Self assembling RNA will not a living creature make.
Sorry no evidence there.

Really, that is amazing considering you are alive typing your bullshit here.

This is like claiming single raindrops in mass cant form a complex puddle.

You would not exist at all if RNA did not exist, no life would.

RNA as part of DNA as part of evolution are natural process not requiring sky daddies to cause them.

Got anymore crap you want to spew?

See? Ignoring evidence.

We have the fossils, we win.