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RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
October 3, 2013 at 4:53 am
(October 2, 2013 at 7:18 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: (October 2, 2013 at 5:54 pm)pocaracas Wrote: You know, derp-boy, this is what I was replying to:
I see nothing about intelligent beings, in there.
Oh, and about that... all it took, apparently, was a lot of time evolving... But your brain can't grasp something longer than... 20... 30 years, maybe you can reach all the way to 33years...
Not even a trillion years would have helped form the first living creature by chance.
Derp does what derp is...
DERP.
Congratz, you've successfully managed to get ME to forgo any reasonable argument and just resort to calling you derp.
That's because I realize that any reasonable argument will be lost in your derpish brain... do you have a brain at all?
Oh well, just in case you do have a few brain cells...
Here, see how long is required for animal size to change:
http://payseur.genetics.wisc.edu/IslandEvolution.htm
Extrapolate to millions of years...
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RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
October 3, 2013 at 6:34 am
(October 3, 2013 at 2:43 am)max-greece Wrote: (October 3, 2013 at 2:22 am)Esquilax Wrote: And what happens to the oxygen content when the level of water rises that high, without plants around to replenish it?
Diseases: how were these animals carried, and how did the ark not turn into one massive floating plague pit?
Parasites? Which unlucky animal got infected with those?
The list of questions can go on forever.
How did Noah keep the Polar bears cool?
How did the walrus get to the Arc - they're not big on walking.
Why did non of the monkeys with prehensile tails stop off in Africa on their way back to South America?
How did Noah dispose of Gorilla shit?
Where did Noah get the bamboo to feed the Pandas?
Where did Noah get sufficent wood to build the ark in the first place?
Didn't saving the wood worm put his entire project at risk?
Who guided Proteus anguinus - one of the species of blind cave salamders back to their caves in the Western Balkan peninsula?
....
My God Esquilax - you're right - we've proved infinity!
There are an infinite number of questions that need to be answered for the story of the flood to be acceptable.
Yea for us.
Not many questions at all.
It was avery big ark.
The world was very different before the flood.
God could have had the animals go to the ark.
After all He is God.
Noah just needed 2 of each kind. A kind would then become several species afterward.
Noah could have taken young animals that were smaller.
God may have caused hibernation on the animals.
After all He is God.
Does not seem to be too much needed, especially when one considers Almighty God.
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RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
October 3, 2013 at 6:36 am
I think you missed a bunch from the previous post.
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RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
October 3, 2013 at 6:36 am
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(October 3, 2013 at 1:14 am)max-greece Wrote: Fail number 3 (but I probably missed a couple - a man has to sleep occasionally).
Right - so the flood did it.
Questions:
Assuming that anything you noted is even true, I will answer these questions.
Questions:
How did the flood arrange the fossils so that, for example, there are no human bones found below the KT boundary and no dinosaur/pterosaur bones found above it?
Sorting due to settlement of sediments.
Also man would have initially moved to higher ground.
How did the marsupials find their way back to Australia after the flood - where marsupial fossils are found?
The land was not yet divided. That happens later.
God would have directed the animals back to the natural habitat.
How did lemurs find their way back to Madagascar after the flood when lemur fossils are found?
The land was not yet divided. That happens later.
God would have directed the animals back to the natural habitat.
Why are neither of the above groups found anywhere along the route from Ararat to Madagascar or Australia?
The land was divided later.
Why did certain species of cetaceans (whales) not survive the flood whilst others did?
The world change after the flood. So some species would wide out, others survive.
Why is there no genetic bottleneck for all the species of the earth found in the record at or around 5-6,000 years ago?
You are assuming that dating techniques are valid beyond the flood and its aftermath.
Why didn't the grass grow in the Sahara desert after so much water?
How do you know it did not?
Maybe the entire Sahara was just a wash in of sediment from the flood.
How did land plants survive immersion in water for such a long period?
Seeds
After the flood, what did the lions eat?
Not every animal kind on the Ark were by 2's.
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RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
October 3, 2013 at 6:38 am
OK - good - you have managed to repeat my questions. Answers?
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RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
October 3, 2013 at 6:41 am
(October 3, 2013 at 6:34 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: Not many questions at all.
We aren't done.
Quote:It was avery big ark.
Not big enough, according to the dimensions in the bible.
Quote:The world was very different before the flood.
How?
Quote:God could have had the animals go to the ark.
I'm an Australian: are you saying the Koalas, Wombats and Echidnas all swam the distance there? Impossible for them, and even if they could swim, you're asking non-aquatic animals that need to sleep to make multiple days worth of sea travel. Impossible.
Quote:After all He is God.
Magic solves everything, huh?
Quote:Noah just needed 2 of each kind. A kind would then become several species afterward.
So, what's the scientific definition of a kind? You understand that there are observed, demonstrable evolutionary principles, like ring species, that disprove the definition of kind that the people you're cribbing this shit from use?
Quote:Noah could have taken young animals that were smaller.
And hence less likely to survive the long journeys from across the world to get to him.
Quote:God may have caused hibernation on the animals.
Magic solves everything!
Quote:After all He is God.
MAAAAAAAGGGGGIIIIIIIC!
Quote:Does not seem to be too much needed, especially when one considers Almighty God.
Okay, now prove that it actually happened. Don't just shovel fanfiction at me; where's the proof that any of this occurred?
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RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
October 3, 2013 at 6:58 am
(October 3, 2013 at 6:41 am)Esquilax Wrote: Quote:God may have caused hibernation on the animals.
Magic solves everything!
Quote:After all He is God.
MAAAAAAAGGGGGIIIIIIIC! I told you about this days ago... Why don't you crazy atheists listen?!
MAGIC can do anything!
MAGIC can make it look like anything I want.
MAGIC can make completely unnatural events look like completely natural ones! DUH!
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RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
October 3, 2013 at 7:45 am
(October 3, 2013 at 6:36 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: Sorting due to settlement of sediments.
That's not the way sediment works.
Quote:Also man would have initially moved to higher ground.
And then been cast down in the waters of the flood, no? I mean, they did drown.
Quote:The land was not yet divided. That happens later.
Pangea? Really? And what do you say to the demonstrable, peer reviewed scientific evidence on continental drift that shows you are, without a doubt, wrong?
Quote:God would have directed the animals back to the natural habitat.
How? Magic?
Quote:The world change after the flood. So some species would wide out, others survive.
Isn't it funny how you're that general, while in another thread, you demand exact calculations? Just "changed?" No reason, just changed in whatever way best suits your argument?
Quote:You are assuming that dating techniques are valid beyond the flood and its aftermath.
And you're assuming they aren't. The difference is, we have evidence, you have a dishonest presupposition.
Quote:Maybe the entire Sahara was just a wash in of sediment from the flood.
And maybe you're a sentient piece of cheese. Why are we just desperately positing fictional scenarios?
Quote:Seeds
And the non-seeding plants?
Quote:Not every animal kind on the Ark were by 2's.
Which just increases the impossibility of the ark as described holding the requisite number of animals.
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RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
October 3, 2013 at 7:58 am
My god! What a dumbass! Shrieking: 'GODDIT' doesn't mean anything. It has no explanatory power whatsoever. Seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if this guy is Ray Comfort. He's on the same level of stupidity, arrogance, ignorance and delusion.
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RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
October 3, 2013 at 8:03 am
(October 3, 2013 at 7:58 am)Rationalman Wrote: My god! What a dumbass! Shrieking: 'GODDIT' doesn't mean anything. It has no explanatory power whatsoever. Seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if this guy is Ray Comfort. He's on the same level of stupidity, arrogance, ignorance and delusion.
If so, I have a few suggestions regarding a banana.
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