So, then, if the earth was never flat, your calculation of how deep the water would have been if it were flat is not relevant to the earth. And since the argument is about the history of the earth, your point is not relevant to this discussion. If my closet was filled with $100 bills then I would be very rich indeed; since it isn't, pointing out how rich I would be if it were is a non-point. I'll ask again, are we arguing about conditions on Earth, or those on Bizarro Earth?

(October 3, 2013 at 3:16 pm)Chas Wrote:

(October 3, 2013 at 12:16 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: I am working on facts.

Explain the origin of the vast complexity of life.

No one has yet.

Answer the simple questions in the other topic.

No one has yet.

Are you relying on a multitude of miraculous events?

The vast complexity of life is explained by evolution.

And its mechanism - natural selection.

(October 3, 2013 at 4:00 pm)max-greece Wrote:

(October 3, 2013 at 3:16 pm)Chas Wrote: The vast complexity of life is explained by evolution.

And its mechanism - natural selection.

That is only one of its mechanisms

(October 2, 2013 at 7:10 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: The materials that make up living things never, on their own, form a cell or long DNA strands or large proteins. In fact, nowhere, throughout the entire universe, for all time, has this ever been observed to happen. In fact, it could not even happen by chance.

Therefore, a second irrefutable proof of the existence of God Almighty the Creator can be made. Assume indeed that atheistic origin science is correct, and all of the creation can be explained without God by the laws of nature and random chance. As will be shown, this assumed theory will prove to be false. And since the only alternative to a Creator is false, then again the fact that the Creator, God Almighty, exists will have been proven again.

Your assertion in paragraph one is demonstrably false. Historically false, and mathematically false.
Your presumption in paragraph two is also demonstrably false.
All you can say, is "I don't understand this". A statement of your personal ignorance is proof of nothing, (except that you don't understand).
In no way have you justified the leap, from your lack of understanding, to your specific conclusion.
There is no "proof" of a deity. Before you assert your proof, you must first obtain, and establish, demonstrate, or at least say, what the criteria are, that the proof system invokes.
You have done nothing even remotely close to that.

Unfortunately for you, you also don't understand what the word "prove" means.
You also do not understand your cult.

Let me explain.

There are literally billions of possible explanations for any unknown. Your argument is a "god of the gaps" argument, because your psychological make-up REQUIRES an answer this afternoon.
It's really more about Psychology, than religion. (See "anal retention" in your Psych text).

If you REALLY DO have proof of something, then faith is unnecessary.
Are you REALLY sure you want to devalue/render unnecessary, your faith, (a "virtue", and "gift of your spirit") ? If you have PROOF of anything, then what Jebus said is rendered false. "Many are called, but few are chosen", "NO ONE shall come to me unless the Father call him".

Do you enjoy being a false prophet ? Jebus tole me you peeps would be coming out of your holes.

Happy hereticing.





meow

(October 3, 2013 at 2:44 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: The Creator would be greater than His creation, but could be less complex.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUrJjwMamIw

Yeah, nice god you've got.

(October 3, 2013 at 4:04 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

(October 2, 2013 at 7:10 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: The materials that make up living things never, on their own, form a cell or long DNA strands or large proteins. In fact, nowhere, throughout the entire universe, for all time, has this ever been observed to happen. In fact, it could not even happen by chance.

Therefore, a second irrefutable proof of the existence of God Almighty the Creator can be made. Assume indeed that atheistic origin science is correct, and all of the creation can be explained without God by the laws of nature and random chance. As will be shown, this assumed theory will prove to be false. And since the only alternative to a Creator is false, then again the fact that the Creator, God Almighty, exists will have been proven again.

Your assertion in paragraph one is demonstrably false. Historically false, and mathematically false.
Your presumption in paragraph two is also demonstrably false.
All you can say, is "I don't understand this". A statement of your personal ignorance is proof of nothing, (except that you don't understand).
In no way have you justified the leap, from your lack of understanding, to your specific conclusion.
There is no "proof" of a deity. Before you assert your proof, you must first obtain, and establish, demonstrate, or at least say, what the criteria are, that the proof system invokes.
You have done nothing even remotely close to that.

Unfortunately for you, you also don't understand what the word "prove" means.
You also do not understand your cult.

Let me explain.

There are literally billions of possible explanations for any unknown. Your argument is a "god of the gaps" argument, because your psychological make-up REQUIRES an answer this afternoon.
It's really more about Psychology, than religion. (See "anal retention" in your Psych text).

If you REALLY DO have proof of something, then faith is unnecessary.
Are you REALLY sure you want to devalue/render unnecessary, your faith, (a "virtue", and "gift of your spirit") ? If you have PROOF of anything, then what Jebus said is rendered false. "Many are called, but few are chosen", "NO ONE shall come to me unless the Father call him".

Do you enjoy being a false prophet ? Jebus tole me you peeps would be coming out of your holes.

Happy hereticing.





meow

In the book of Romans, God Almighty says that there is no excuse for not believing in the Creator.

Romans 1:19-20
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

The faith in Jesus Christ as the Saviour for your sins is a step beyond just believing there is a Creator.

You must believe that He died on the cross and paid for all your sins by His shed blood, that He rose from the dead, and that you have complete forgiveness of all sins and everlasting life just by faith in Him.

Many do not believe because they are self righteous and do not think they would not get to go to heaven.
Others think that you must earn it by works of some kind. But that denies the sacrifice of Jesus Christ as the complete payment for sins.

(October 3, 2013 at 4:49 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: In the book of Romans bla bla bla bla

so what?

what constitutes that that piece of paper has any authority?

(October 3, 2013 at 4:03 pm)TheBeardedDude Wrote:

(October 3, 2013 at 4:00 pm)max-greece Wrote: And its mechanism - natural selection.

That is only one of its mechanisms

?? Explain?

(October 3, 2013 at 4:50 pm)The Germans are coming Wrote: so what?

what constitutes that that piece of paper has any authority?

All that thinking in circles has got Grace dizzy..

And Grace, your education, what about it? Care to share some light on it?

There are other mechanisms like sexual selection and habitat fragmentation , that aren't quite the same mechanism as natural selection