Hey, fundamentalists are allowed within the rules. But this forum is full of atheist sharks, just waiting to take a bite. He could've just did a little(?) more homework.

Gracie, no answer as to why the observable universe is so big?

(October 8, 2013 at 7:48 am)Zen Badger Wrote: Gracie, no answer as to why the observable universe is so big?

That will not help you on the age question though.

Remember, you cannot use the "no God" assumption for dating the age of things.

(October 8, 2013 at 7:52 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote:

(October 8, 2013 at 7:48 am)Zen Badger Wrote: Gracie, no answer as to why the observable universe is so big?

That will not help you on the age question though.

Remember, you cannot use the "no God" assumption for dating the age of things.

He can use whatever the fuck he wants...you sure as shit do.

(October 8, 2013 at 7:52 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: Remember, you cannot use the "no God" assumption for dating the age of things.

Ah, but as per the fact that I have proven this, there is only a no god fact. No assumptions are necessary. I proved it to be correct.

You, however, have a "god" misconception.

(October 8, 2013 at 7:52 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote:

(October 8, 2013 at 7:48 am)Zen Badger Wrote: Gracie, no answer as to why the observable universe is so big?

That will not help you on the age question though.

Remember, you cannot use the "no God" assumption for dating the age of things.

It actually does, but I'm still awaiting your response to the question

(October 8, 2013 at 7:52 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote:

(October 8, 2013 at 7:48 am)Zen Badger Wrote: Gracie, no answer as to why the observable universe is so big?

That will not help you on the age question though.

Remember, you cannot use the "no God" assumption for dating the age of things.

Except that if you accept the size of the universe you are accepting the age.

Andromeda, the nearest spiral galaxy to us and the only one we can see with the naked eye (ignoring dwarf galaxies - yes Stimbo - I know) is 2.5 million light years away from us.

That means it took light 2.5 million years to get here.

That we can see it (without a telescope no less) means, immediately, that the universe is at a minimum 2.5 million years old.

This leaves you in something of a quandary. You will now have to disprove Einstein's theory of relativity to get to your own age estimate to pass. Good luck with that.

(October 8, 2013 at 7:59 am)max-greece Wrote:

(October 8, 2013 at 7:52 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: That will not help you on the age question though.

Remember, you cannot use the "no God" assumption for dating the age of things.

Except that if you accept the size of the universe you are accepting the age.

Andromeda, the nearest spiral galaxy to us and the only one we can see with the naked eye (ignoring dwarf galaxies - yes Stimbo - I know) is 2.5 million light years away from us.

That means it took light 2.5 million years to get here.

That we can see it (without a telescope no less) means, immediately, that the universe is at a minimum 2.5 million years old.

This leaves you in something of a quandary. You will now have to disprove Einstein's theory of relativity to get to your own age estimate to pass. Good luck with that.

The theory of relativity holds, but there are different possibilities depending on initial conditions.

You are assuming the shape of space over large distances and the speed of light over large distances.

Those assumptions are based on the already proven false assumption of "no God"

(October 8, 2013 at 8:09 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote:

(October 8, 2013 at 7:59 am)max-greece Wrote: Except that if you accept the size of the universe you are accepting the age.

Andromeda, the nearest spiral galaxy to us and the only one we can see with the naked eye (ignoring dwarf galaxies - yes Stimbo - I know) is 2.5 million light years away from us.

That means it took light 2.5 million years to get here.

That we can see it (without a telescope no less) means, immediately, that the universe is at a minimum 2.5 million years old.

This leaves you in something of a quandary. You will now have to disprove Einstein's theory of relativity to get to your own age estimate to pass. Good luck with that.

The theory of relativity holds, but there are different possibilities depending on initial conditions.

You are assuming the shape of space over large distances and the speed of light over large distances.

Those assumptions are based on the already proven false assumption of "no God"

Good o, now get those conditions to produce a figure of 6000 years

(October 8, 2013 at 8:12 am)Zen Badger Wrote:

(October 8, 2013 at 8:09 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: The theory of relativity holds, but there are different possibilities depending on initial conditions.

You are assuming the shape of space over large distances and the speed of light over large distances.

Those assumptions are based on the already proven false assumption of "no God"

Good o, now get those conditions to produce a figure of 6000 years

I think that you do not understand that with God all things are possible.