(October 8, 2013 at 7:33 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: Well it's true you may as well be talking about pink invisible unicorns the concept of God being so absurd to them at this point. But this is through the influence of the media and your surrounding culture not because God actually is that absurd. God actually makes a great deal of real rational sense.

The fucking notion is insane unless you're indoctrinated or feeble minded.

(October 8, 2013 at 7:33 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: Well it's true you may as well be talking about pink invisible unicorns the concept of God being so absurd to them at this point. But this is through the influence of the media and your surrounding culture not because God actually is that absurd. God actually makes a great deal of real rational sense.

Now, is that rational sense, or "rational" sense in the I-don't-understand-how-fallacies-work-therefore-god sense?

(October 7, 2013 at 5:21 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: I'm only CoE by geographic coincidence I would prefer it if there weren't any denominations, sects, cults, monarchs or Popes or anything else like that. It should all just be one united faith in the one God through Christ.

It seems to me that if the Bible had been properly inspired by the greatest mind in the universe, the above would not be a problem.

(October 8, 2013 at 7:41 am)Captain Colostomy Wrote: The fucking notion is insane unless you're indoctrinated or feeble minded.

You think that's the case because of the influence secular culture has had on you, as well as the fundamentalist nutcases who do a good job of driving people to the other side, people who deny evolution ever happened and that kind of thing. See what this guy has to say on the subject.





This guy is sagely I mean look at him, he likes Dumbledore for heaven sake. But if you're taking no notice of him perhaps you'll take some notice of the Space Gnome.





Come on, God is very real stop messing with your denial of the eternal reality.

(October 8, 2013 at 8:50 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: You think that's the case because of the influence secular culture has had on you, as well as the fundamentalist nutcases who do a good job of driving people to the other side, people who deny evolution ever happened and that kind of thing. See what this guy has to say on the subject.

Riiight, the "secular culture" of places still dominated by christian religious culture, where the majority are christians, etc etc. Entirely in keeping with reality, that.

And... space gnome? Seriously, that's something you'd willingly link to?

(October 8, 2013 at 7:33 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: God actually makes a great deal of real rational sense.

Adding a bunch of superfluous adjectives is often a good sign that your proposition doesn't actually make sense.

"God makes a great deal of rational sense."

This is interesting, because sword of Christ isn't the first to make this claim. But the really interesting thing is that they either never attempt to defend this statement, or they use anemic claims that are chock full of fallcies and swimming in appeals to emotion.

God claims are like a lazy, junkie relative. They're always going to let you down.

God makes rational sense to theists because they have their own personal view of rationality.

If God were very much real, it would be fairly obvious to humanity and there wouldn't be thousands of different gods worshiped throughout history.

When you apply Occam's razor, though, all that rational sense about God's existence goes out the window.

(October 8, 2013 at 8:53 am)Esquilax Wrote: Riiight, the "secular culture" of places still dominated by christian religious culture, where the majority are christians, etc etc. Entirely in keeping with reality, that.

Perhaps in the US but the problem you have there is hardline fundamentalism it isn't something the scientific or educated community would take seriously. Here in Europe it's more or less dead, if you poke with a stick it may twitch a little. It's just something like say your gran would believe in. If you take Scandinavia that's about as Christian now as it was in the Viking era.

Quote:And... space gnome? Seriously, that's something you'd willingly link to?

You can't argue with the gnome once he's "dropped some knowledge bombs" on you. The main point is you don't know what you think you know you just believe you know what you know, but it's a belief at the end of the day. You don't get to "prove" the existence God either way with science which atheists seem to think they have done.

(October 8, 2013 at 9:18 am)apophenia Wrote: God actually makes a great deal of real rational sense.

Adding a bunch of superfluous adjectives is often a good sign that your proposition doesn't actually make sense.

Something has to exist eternally, our universe didn't and our universe has structure and precise mathematical construction, structure and contingency. You may as well say you can construct a car by detonating a bomb in a junkyard and all the parts just come together naturally. We know something to be the work of an intelligence when we see it the universe is such a construction. Rather than some kind of deism it's clear that there is some kind of relational aspect as you have billions of humans who claim to experience him, you can see the impact of this on the world and throughout history. But if you're just going to ignore all of this then it's not rational, if that's what you want to insist.