(October 10, 2013 at 8:18 am)daandaan Wrote: abiogenesis is cracked thanks to the max planck institute that proved the last reaction in the chan of reaction leading up to forming dna.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.10...647.f03t04

1 the process of hcn polymerisation by uv light from the sun in cold environment is called quantum tunneling ..

the process has an enormous amount of little steps producing lots of other compounds (little steps in between of instable compounds that r falling apart in short time into again other compounds that have a short life so its difficult to detect , but all leading up to the end product)


2 the tests have been done in the past years ...but now by means of computational Chemistry is proven how they lead up to the final end product ..purine..

and purine changes easy into a and g by addition reaction of h and n

pirimidine was already explained years ago (c and t)
-pirimidine sythesis in pre biotic :in concentrated urea solution—such have been found in an evaporating lagoon or in pools on drying beaches on the early Earth—cyanoacetaldehyde reacts to form cytosine in yields of 30-50%, from which uracil can be formed by hydrolysis. These reactions provide a plausible route to the pyrimidine bases required in the RNA world---


and from the XNA experiments we know that nucleotide forming compounds (nucleobase) will form by themselves nucleotides....xna has formed by itself a 6 nucleotide structure.....we, dna have only 4.

so its even more complex as we are


3 however in XNA the atp molecule adenine was missing , so oxygen metabolism wasnt possible ...(xna lives and prospers.and evolves like mad but only in the lab under controlled conditions)

in the past 63 yrs. we have reconstructed the entire process leading up to the forming of nucleotide forming compounds ..and finally we have the last reaction in the chain of reactions cracked..

the ATP molecule adenine for metabolism (and guanine) r proven how they form

so abiogenesis is cracked , article 24 6 2013 MP institute fur kohlenforschung .(link above)

the gazillionth nail in the coffin of ur nonexisting god..

now....how you reconcile reality with the fact that your precious buybull says the sun, moon and stars all dangle under giant body of water in the sky??

see ?? science proves ur god not to exist succesfully.

So a cell was observed forming spontaneously from just chemicals in some natural environment with no help from intelligent scientists?
NO

A first living thing was observed spontaneously from just chemicals in some natural environment with no help from intelligent scientists and the ensuing creatures up to the first cell in like manner?
NO


Please get someone to fill out the answers to my simple questions that I posted. Please make them swear to the data under oath.

That was the biggest nothing post yet.

The attempt shows utter desperation. And that proves you have no facts.

Its not a 'nothing post' just because you don't understand the science

(October 10, 2013 at 9:07 am)Rationalman Wrote: Its not a 'nothing post' just because you don't understand the science

I understand it better than you to know that that is not abiogenesis.

Basing my judgement on all your other posts about science and your obvious lack of understanding of everything you have talked about so far, I would have to say no, there is no evidence that you know better than me. Don't exactly know when this became a competition but I for one am not up for measuring dicks

(October 10, 2013 at 8:04 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: Sorry, simple knowledge is that intelligently designed things are created by an intelligent being.

Simple knowledge for simpletons.

(October 10, 2013 at 9:16 am)Doubting Thomas Wrote:

(October 10, 2013 at 8:04 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: Sorry, simple knowledge is that intelligently designed things are created by an intelligent being.

Simple knowledge for simpletons.

Go to New York City, walk around, tell everyone you can that it is all from random chance and no intelligence.

Collect a record of comments and report back.

Appeal to popularity. This is also a logical fallacy grace. Get this through your skull. Everyone used to believe the earth was flat hundreds of years ago. Do you see my point?

(October 10, 2013 at 8:53 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: The attempt shows utter desperation. And that proves you have no facts.

Shit! That's the fifth one this week!

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(October 10, 2013 at 9:18 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: Collect a record of comments and report back.

I did, and they all think you're a complete and utter moron.

(October 10, 2013 at 8:53 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote:

(October 10, 2013 at 8:18 am)daandaan Wrote: abiogenesis is cracked thanks to the max planck institute that proved the last reaction in the chan of reaction leading up to forming dna.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.10...647.f03t04

1 the process of hcn polymerisation by uv light from the sun in cold environment is called quantum tunneling ..

the process has an enormous amount of little steps producing lots of other compounds (little steps in between of instable compounds that r falling apart in short time into again other compounds that have a short life so its difficult to detect , but all leading up to the end product)


2 the tests have been done in the past years ...but now by means of computational Chemistry is proven how they lead up to the final end product ..purine..

and purine changes easy into a and g by addition reaction of h and n

pirimidine was already explained years ago (c and t)
-pirimidine sythesis in pre biotic :in concentrated urea solution—such have been found in an evaporating lagoon or in pools on drying beaches on the early Earth—cyanoacetaldehyde reacts to form cytosine in yields of 30-50%, from which uracil can be formed by hydrolysis. These reactions provide a plausible route to the pyrimidine bases required in the RNA world---


and from the XNA experiments we know that nucleotide forming compounds (nucleobase) will form by themselves nucleotides....xna has formed by itself a 6 nucleotide structure.....we, dna have only 4.

so its even more complex as we are


3 however in XNA the atp molecule adenine was missing , so oxygen metabolism wasnt possible ...(xna lives and prospers.and evolves like mad but only in the lab under controlled conditions)

in the past 63 yrs. we have reconstructed the entire process leading up to the forming of nucleotide forming compounds ..and finally we have the last reaction in the chain of reactions cracked..

the ATP molecule adenine for metabolism (and guanine) r proven how they form

so abiogenesis is cracked , article 24 6 2013 MP institute fur kohlenforschung .(link above)

the gazillionth nail in the coffin of ur nonexisting god..

now....how you reconcile reality with the fact that your precious buybull says the sun, moon and stars all dangle under giant body of water in the sky??

see ?? science proves ur god not to exist succesfully.

So a cell was observed forming spontaneously from just chemicals in some natural environment with no help from intelligent scientists?
NO

A first living thing was observed spontaneously from just chemicals in some natural environment with no help from intelligent scientists and the ensuing creatures up to the first cell in like manner?
NO


Please get someone to fill out the answers to my simple questions that I posted. Please make them swear to the data under oath.

That was the biggest nothing post yet.

The attempt shows utter desperation. And that proves you have no facts.

standard creationst stupid NON sense....like..

``So a cell was observed forming spontaneously from just chemicals in some natural environment with no help from intelligent scientists?
NO``

1 i was talking about a long chain of reactions what took 63 yrs to explore and test, to come up with proof that the reactions happened.
the last of that reaction of that chain now has been found....

so i m not talking about MAKING it happen ....its proven on paper now how the LAST reaction happened to form dna billions of years ago !!
test how the last reaction happened where alrady done yrs ago , but science wouldnt be science if its not proven on paper.

so its not a single reaction like ur strawman question indicates !!

apart from the fact that if , like u suggested ``So a cell was observed forming spontaneously`` u would have directly cried out INTELLIGENTLY DESIGNED !!!



so ur question is a fallacy on its own and demonstrating u r nothing but an uneducated prick that doesnt understand even the slightest way Chemistry works, let alone, a chain of reactions , lead up to abiogenesis.



2 all the knowledge of how to make life has been applied in the XNA project, 2 yrs ago ..didnt u read??

we call it synthetic life .....becouse WE made it to happen
xna is pirimidine based ..t and c . !!
we used that becouse it was already proven how it formed in pre biotic environment on old earth.

at the time , we still couldnt account for adenine and guanine as proven facts trough the process of abiogenesis, (tests however proved it to form only it still wasnt proven on paper), so we used an other molecule to substitute it ...there by introducing it ``from outside / XENO`` of the abiogenesis process......therefore XNA.

so we had differnt types of nucleobase , the ingredients of life.
and nucleobases form out of them selves , NO HELP NEEDED nucleotides.

it surprised us becouse by using pirimidine based nucleobases and a xeno nucleobase , ...it formed complete by its self...a 6 nucleotide structure..
so it is even more complex as WE are and its stronger....DNA has only 4 nucleotides.....proving ur nonexisting god to be nothing more as a faillure in biology.

so to come back to ur bullshit....... ``A first living thing was observed spontaneously from just chemicals in some natural environment with no help from intelligent scientists and the ensuing creatures up to the first cell in like manner?
NO``.........u demonstrated creationists cant read....

is specifically stated that ``we call it sythetic life ``...

becouse we made it , u idiot !!!

and for dna to form out of just chemicals, like u LEAD and PUT WORDS IN ONES MOUTH ....it doesnt happen that way !!

so its epic fail for u !!


hahahahahahahahahaha !!


p.s. making dna the way it happened on earth ..

r u really that stupid?? do u have 1 billion years to wait for it and a planet with approxemately the same specifics as earth of us to run the experiment ??

what we can do now is make every reaction happen , up to the nucleobase forming ones ..and then a form of dna or something else forms completely by itself ...like we done in the XNA experiment ...accelerated it to just some days in a lab.

proving WE can make life based on the knowledge of how abiogenesis took place,

and

we proved how it happened on earth to form DNA.




END OF UR LINE


HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR

I would be stupid to buy your non answer.

Please answer the simple questions I asked now that you have the "answer"?