(October 23, 2013 at 10:23 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: Either it's God/a purpose giving higher power and we know something about his nature and it's relationship with ourselves or it's...nothing at all.

...or it's something entirely different altogether, which has been pointed out to you, oh I don't know, at LEAST A DOZEN FUCKING TIMES.

Why do you insist on persisting in the lie that there are no other options? Hmmm?

(October 23, 2013 at 10:23 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: Prove the universe and everything in it merely exists for no reason at all. That's essentially where you get to with atheism.

Stop. Doing. This.

Stop telling people what they believe.

Stop. Just. Stop.

(October 23, 2013 at 10:23 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: Just because it is faith based it doesn't automatically mean it must be false or as ridiculous

No, it does not. Nor does it make it true or credible.

What it does make it is irrational.

(October 23, 2013 at 11:47 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: They're evidence that someone felt the need to write something about someone for some reason.

Doesn't that describe pretty much every book ever written?

(October 23, 2013 at 10:58 am)Esquilax Wrote:

(October 23, 2013 at 10:23 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: I don't have an interest in believing your car runs on pixie dust but I'm interested in the ultimate truth of the universe. Either it's God/a purpose giving higher power and we know something about his nature and it's relationship with ourselves or it's...nothing at all.

(I've said all this before, but: ) or we're a reflection of a mirror universe and all the things within are just reactions opposite to the mirror, or we're a long chain of randomly generated multiverse variants based upon a "prime" universe that was created, or it's a higher power that you don't know anything about, or...

See, I found a paragraph full of alternatives just off the top of my head. Why can't you?

Why do you insist on this false dichotomy even after you've been corrected on it?

.... In that case, Esquilax, I'm glad I'm on the right side of the 'reason' mirror. Poor mirrored me must be such a sucker....

(October 23, 2013 at 5:36 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Stop. Doing. This.

Stop telling people what they believe.

Stop. Just. Stop.

This is the guy who actually offered to explain to Esquilax what Esquilax believes. I don't think he CAN stop doing it.

Quote:Who would have made all of this up and what would be the motivation?

Power combined with credulity. You can gain power thinking you are right and completely be wrong. For the same reason Muslims have power in the middle east.

"Why would they die for a lie"? Is the wrong question. For over 3,000 years the ancient Egyptians truly believed with all their heart that the sun was an actual god.

The better question would be, "Why do you feel the need to cling to such an old story?"

(October 24, 2013 at 12:12 am)Owlix Wrote: .... In that case, Esquilax, I'm glad I'm on the right side of the 'reason' mirror. Poor mirrored me must be such a sucker....

Imagine it, though: somewhere there would be a universe in which Sword of Christ is a competent debater who understands the boundaries of his own understanding.

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(October 24, 2013 at 9:40 am)Zazzy Wrote: This is the guy who actually offered to explain to Esquilax what Esquilax believes. I don't think he CAN stop doing it.

I'm working under the theory that he believes he's some kind of belief-wizard, capable of incanting beliefs into someone's head just by repeating it often enough.

Also, in my theory he runs around in a special cape with a coiled up turd on it.

(October 23, 2013 at 5:31 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:

(October 23, 2013 at 10:23 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: Either it's God/a purpose giving higher power and we know something about his nature and it's relationship with ourselves or it's...nothing at all.

...or it's something entirely different altogether, which has been pointed out to you, oh I don't know, at LEAST A DOZEN FUCKING TIMES.

Why do you insist on persisting in the lie that there are no other options? Hmmm?

He is still stuck with "which god" and pretends no one else claims other gods, and still doesn't see all of them are stuck with the problem with infinite regress. Nor do they want to consider that gods are the product of human imagination.

The religious who push their faith and the atheists who push against faith (without actual provocation) will always need to provide the burden of proof.

So it's wrong for the colleague of a math professor to push to correct his friend when he has demonstrable errors in his equations?