(October 28, 2013 at 8:36 pm)Godschild Wrote: They should be, however that is a matter the government of that country must address.

GC

Yeah, because only when it's gay people wanting to marry or adopt children is the problem serious enough for Christians to stick their noses in and try to stop everything.

(October 28, 2013 at 8:36 pm)Godschild Wrote: They should be, however that is a matter the government of that country must address.

GC

See, this is sort of my point, GC: these people are representing your church. So far, it seems like the only things christians want to do in these situations is distance their church from these guys, but... honestly, should that be all? Shouldn't you guys be wanting to clean house on this? If the suffering of those children- apparently in the name of your lord- doesn't motivate you, then shouldn't correcting their faulty view of god do so?

Why is it you're palming this off on the government, when governments are otherwise these evil, secular things trying to persecute christians?

(October 28, 2013 at 3:31 am)Maelstrom Wrote:

(October 28, 2013 at 1:49 am)Godschild Wrote: These people are taking Christianity and making it into what they want.

GC

That is what all Christians do anyway, considering why no two denominations can agree on how to interpret the silly book.

Isn't it simply amazing how an all-powerful, all-knowing deity can't seem to keep everyone on the same page. In fact, so much so that his "holy words" are used to torture and kill children. One would think that the most powerful being in the universe could figure out how to write a book that wouldn't required decades of study to avoid KILLING PEOPLE!!!

A, Fucking, MEN

(October 28, 2013 at 11:23 pm)Esquilax Wrote:

(October 28, 2013 at 8:36 pm)Godschild Wrote: They should be, however that is a matter the government of that country must address.

GC

See, this is sort of my point, GC: these people are representing your church. So far, it seems like the only things christians want to do in these situations is distance their church from these guys, but... honestly, should that be all? Shouldn't you guys be wanting to clean house on this? If the suffering of those children- apparently in the name of your lord- doesn't motivate you, then shouldn't correcting their faulty view of god do so?

Why is it you're palming this off on the government, when governments are otherwise these evil, secular things trying to persecute christians?

Well to start off with they represent themselves in reality, they steal the name of Christian to validate what they do. Their actions are not what the whole of scripture calls for, indeed it is contrary to scripture.

What would you suggest the Christian Church in America do about these people? You want us to go into other countries and take the law into our own hands, like that wouldn't cause a world wide uproar. Scripture calls for the Church to excommunicate such people, but when the Church has so many denominations each do as they see fit.
How do you suppose we tell others what they can and can't believe. I don't even do that here, I suggest things but I never try and push anyone. People in their own countries should have the desire to stop such horrible actions, it would not happen in this country.

GC

(October 29, 2013 at 1:03 am)Godschild Wrote: Well to start off with they represent themselves in reality, they steal the name of Christian to validate what they do. Their actions are not what the whole of scripture calls for, indeed it is contrary to scripture.

So that's even more reason you guys should want to correct the record.

Quote:What would you suggest the Christian Church in America do about these people? You want us to go into other countries and take the law into our own hands, like that wouldn't cause a world wide uproar. Scripture calls for the Church to excommunicate such people, but when the Church has so many denominations each do as they see fit.

You could attempt to educate these people as to what's really in the bible. After all, you and yours seem to have some special knowledge of it all, some amazing new way of interpreting things that means you really get to the word of the lord: why not share your discernment? Theoretically, these are the guys who should be most amenable to your message, and yet they're the ones absolutely not getting it!

(October 29, 2013 at 1:17 am)Esquilax Wrote:

(October 29, 2013 at 1:03 am)Godschild Wrote: What would you suggest the Christian Church in America do about these people? You want us to go into other countries and take the law into our own hands, like that wouldn't cause a world wide uproar. Scripture calls for the Church to excommunicate such people, but when the Church has so many denominations each do as they see fit.

You could attempt to educate these people as to what's really in the bible. After all, you and yours seem to have some special knowledge of it all, some amazing new way of interpreting things that means you really get to the word of the lord: why not share your discernment? Theoretically, these are the guys who should be most amenable to your message, and yet they're the ones absolutely not getting it!

Educate them, it would be like trying to educate atheist, they care nothing for God or what He teaches, they are out for themselves and nothing more. All we can do is try to expose them for the danger they are, like I said it wouldn't happen here and if it did the Christian church would be the first to condemn them and support their prosecution.

GC

(October 29, 2013 at 1:03 am)Godschild Wrote: What would you suggest the Christian Church in America do about these people? You want us to go into other countries and take the law into our own hands, like that wouldn't cause a world wide uproar. Scripture calls for the Church to excommunicate such people, but when the Church has so many denominations each do as they see fit.
How do you suppose we tell others what they can and can't believe. I don't even do that here, I suggest things but I never try and push anyone. People in their own countries should have the desire to stop such horrible actions, it would not happen in this country.

GC

There are a number of things your American Christian Church could do for the rest of the world in this matter.

No. 1 Please go ahead and make use of Matthew 21:22 and simply ask your god to clarify his own words so that your people across the pond stop killing children.

No. 2 In the event that your god isn't willing to correct the thinking of his wayward sheep, please send them a letter explaining their error and then direct them to find what you have allegedly found in your own studies that you claim is required to understand the same Bible they are using to kill people.

No. 3 Please go ahead and refer to Luke 17:6 if the first two ideas fail and simply request that your god remove the children out of harms way. Keep in mind that the requirement for this action is not great. Even the weakest of christians can apparently drum up a tiny amount of faith. A mustard seed does seem pretty small.

No. 4 In the event that your god is resting and I'm sure has just not gotten around to fixing his oversight where Biblical interpretation is aiding in the torture and death of children, it may be necessary to go ahead and send a petition to the government of that area to raise awareness of said atrocities.


I hope these ideas have been helpful in answering your query. I'm sure that your chosen deity will get right on this if you simply ask.

Godschild Wrote:Well to start off with they represent themselves in reality, they steal the name of Christian to validate what they do. Their actions are not what the whole of scripture calls for, indeed it is contrary to scripture.

Suffer not a witch to live.

Also if you actually READ the article about the pastor named in the title, she does her 'services' for free as a community service. Because to her demons really exist! She prays for them but seeing as how there's no demons in the first place, pastors like her are enacting physical assaults to the bodies of their victims as a means to rid those bodies of evil spirits. Its better to cut out the eye, remember?

Are you denying that the Bible produces followers who honest to goodness think they are doing right by god by doing what the Bible says to do in black and white? Really? there's NO way they are true Christians doing what they believe god wills?

Quote:What would you suggest the Christian Church in America do
about these people? You want us to go into other countries and take the law into our own hands, like that wouldn't cause a world wide uproar.

Hey GC. you Christians are going into other countries and taking the laws into your own hands.
That's the point. Its not just Africa, this is a worldwide problem of your Church installing its will on those who are easiest to influence. That's why gays are banned and murdered, children are being brutally victimized and murdered for money or for fear of supernatural entities, little boys and girls are being raped in the church by those with no conscience (all they gotta do is pray for forgiveness right?!?!), people are being victimized by the very programs you install (look up Magdalene Charities) or any Mother Theresa installed """"charity""""", gay believers are being indoctrinated with mental illness and killing themselves, and as a whole your religion is an epic social failure to the Max. There are good people, who volunteer or give money in earnest to the poor. Hell even I do that. But the belief system your institution tries to install in all part of the world all have the same inevitable conclusions. The fact that you deny it is exactly the reason why it happens. You're feeding people bad eggs and pretending that when they get food poisoning its because they ate the eggs upside down instead of right side up.

Quote:Scripture calls for the Church to excommunicate such people, but when the Church has so many denominations each do as they see fit.

Self admission of failure, that. Also show me where it says to excommunicate 'such people'.
All I see is "suffer not a witch to live" and scriptures that bolster the belief that demons and possessions are real.

Quote:How do you suppose we tell others what they can and can't believe

You seem to do it all the time here. Why don't you all have the same moral compasses like u teach u do? Perhaps you should teach your brethren naturalistic morality, which doesn't take into account sexual orientation when allocating personal rights, and doesn't take into account Imaginary forces that overlie every act and thought you have with what can only be described as delusions.

Quote:. I don't even do that here, I suggest things but I never try and push anyone. People in their own countries should have the desire to stop such horrible actions, it would not happen in this country.

GC

do you aLways make. habit of talking out of your ass? I could name so many atrocities in the US at the hands of your Biblical beliefs, that I literally want to spare you not the rod.

(October 29, 2013 at 1:03 am)Godschild Wrote: Well to start off with they represent themselves in reality, they steal the name of Christian to validate what they do. Their actions are not what the whole of scripture calls for, indeed it is contrary to scripture.

Okay, professor, since you have exclusive knowledge of what the Bible actually means, why don't you tell us precisely why, when the Bible says that you should not let a witch live, that it really means you should totally let a witch live?

Quote:What would you suggest the Christian Church in America do about these people? You want us to go into other countries and take the law into our own hands, like that wouldn't cause a world wide uproar. Scripture calls for the Church to excommunicate such people, but when the Church has so many denominations each do as they see fit.

Condemn and disavow all parts of the Bible which call for violence and persecution. Get rid of the entire Old Testament, since it has nothing to do with Christianity (at least, whenever the negative aspects are being discussed, conveniently). Remove that shit from the canon. Revise it. And don't bullshit me and tell me you can't, it's happened many times. The real reason you can't do it again is because there's no way you could get two Christians to agree on any kind of changes, much less 2 billion.

Quote:How do you suppose we tell others what they can and can't believe. I don't even do that here, I suggest things but I never try and push anyone. People in their own countries should have the desire to stop such horrible actions, it would not happen in this country.

There are tons of examples of Christian-inspired abuse of children in the United States? Want examples?