(November 2, 2013 at 3:17 am)Cinjin Wrote:

(November 2, 2013 at 12:56 am)snowtracks Wrote: the bravado attitude concerning death is admirable in the context of 'taking-it-like-a-man', but is misplaced if upon the moment of death the 'unpardonable sin' (only committed once and is only at that moment) has been committed by the individual.

You wanna just come on out and say what you mean there big fella. (as if we can't see your thinly veiled threat)

maybe some are more uncomfortable with the idea of non-existence than existence after death. It's a topic for discussion; nothing more than that i'm aware of.

By the way, the poll options are goofily lacking. There are way more than two views on death.

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Ivy brought up a good point. I think secretly, many of us aren't as scared about the fact that we will stop experiencing the world, as about the fact that the world will keeping going on just fine without us. My worldview has ME as the glue that holds all my experiences of the world together: and without me, the world as I see it will fall apart.

So death won't only unravel me, it will invalidate everything I "know" about the world.

(November 2, 2013 at 7:57 pm)bennyboy Wrote: By the way, the poll options are goofily lacking. There are way more than two views on death.

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Ivy brought up a good point. I think secretly, many of us aren't as scared about the fact that we will stop experiencing the world, as about the fact that the world will keeping going on just fine without us. My worldview has ME as the glue that holds all my experiences of the world together: and without me, the world as I see it will fall apart.

So death won't only unravel me, it will invalidate everything I "know" about the world.

Perhaps in some cases that might be the case. In mine, not so much - I have no illusions about my role in keeping the world from coming unglued. YMMV of course.

(November 2, 2013 at 8:05 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:

(November 2, 2013 at 7:57 pm)bennyboy Wrote: By the way, the poll options are goofily lacking. There are way more than two views on death.

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Ivy brought up a good point. I think secretly, many of us aren't as scared about the fact that we will stop experiencing the world, as about the fact that the world will keeping going on just fine without us. My worldview has ME as the glue that holds all my experiences of the world together: and without me, the world as I see it will fall apart.

So death won't only unravel me, it will invalidate everything I "know" about the world.

Perhaps in some cases that might be the case. In mine, not so much - I have no illusions about my role in keeping the world from coming unglued. YMMV of course.

Well, there are the philosophical ideas people SAY they have, and the ideas their behaviors reveal to be true. Very few people say they think they are the center of the universe. But then they cross four lanes of fucking traffic to pull into a snack area, causing about 200 cars to slam on their brakes, causing me to nick the bumper of a BMW at about 2 miles/hour, and costing me $5000 because the driver decided to rub his neck dramatically and take a week off of work. In this scenario, the asshole driver, the asshole who didn't leave enough room (i.e. me) between cars, and the asshole BMW insurance faker, clearly all acted as if their time and benefit was more important than everyone else's. But I doubt any one of us three would check "Yes" next to "Think I'm the center of the universe" on a survey.

I've heard a lot of people say they're not afraid of death. I'd like to line them all up in front of a firing squad and see how beautiful they think death is then. I think their actions would show in a pretty obvious way the difference between ideas to talk about on a forum, and their actual world view.

So why don't you just skip to the peaceful party and off yourself? Oh because you most value life over death.....derp

I don't agree with any of the poll options. I don't find it beautiful or something to be afraid of. It would be just awful to live forever, and it devalues life. All good things must come to an end right? And suffering ends. That's something I take comfort in. I love how Dawkins talks about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8euXi3o0iQ

(November 2, 2013 at 10:33 pm)justin Wrote: So why don't you just skip to the peaceful party and off yourself? Oh because you most value life over death.....derp

Posting drunk is baaad.

(November 3, 2013 at 3:09 am)bennyboy Wrote: Posting drunk is baaad.

States the sober one.

The only way I see Death as beautiful is that I see death in two different lights.
One, Death isn't really a "thing". We are all eternal. Matter and Energy cannot be created nor destroyed. So in one view, it's beautiful because we were born of star dust and one day? will once again be star dust until "Dark Energy" does us part... essentially.
The other, Death is the ceasing of being, the conscious. When I die, I will have no realization that I existed, my conscious will simply cease to be. However, like my body? The choices I made have an effect for eternity. I met people, said things, influenced things that forever adhered to the timeline that is the Human existence. And we all have this to say of ourselves.
Enter the grandfather paradox and use it as an example of just how much the world may be different had you never existed? And yet you have.

As a result, Death is wonderful, because even without a God or a Heaven? I'm still eternal. What's more? Once dead, I won't even exist to the point of realizing how selfish that sounds. XD

(November 2, 2013 at 12:56 am)snowtracks Wrote: the bravado attitude concerning death is admirable in the context of 'taking-it-like-a-man', but is misplaced if upon the moment of death the 'unpardonable sin' (only committed once and is only at that moment) has been committed by the individual.

It doesn't matter if I'm right or wrong, really. I'd rather go to hell with my principles than grovel my way into heaven.