(November 10, 2013 at 3:06 am)snowtracks Wrote:

(November 10, 2013 at 12:59 am)Esquilax Wrote: Present them.

here's one -
from: bibleresearch.org
The Temple destruction prophecy
"not one stone here will be left on another" - it's all about the gold

"Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 'Do you see all these things?' he asked. 'I tell you the truth, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down'" [Matthew 24:2]

Given that we can't definitely date Matthew to second temple period, this can just as easily be post-diction as prediction, but wait...

"Invisible Wall"





But wait, maybe that's just a hologram meant to give the appearance of a plane....

Quote:The Gospel of Matthew was composed between 70 and 110, with most scholars preferring the period 80-90.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrMiCYi7I00

Prophesies have several problems.
Ambiguities- Vague prophesies that could be made to fit several things happening.
Written after the fact-I predicted that there would be a massive Typhoon in the phillipines last week honest gov.
My point.
As far as I know we don't have any actual documents that predate any of the prophesies they were meant to foresee and christianity has a long history of forgery to support its case.
Just plain wrong-For example jesus is supposed to be the jewish messiah but in no way fullfils the role a messiah was expected to. He's not the messiah just a very naughty boy.
Wishful thinking-Some people are prone to seeing signs portents and answers to prophesy everywhere.


And to proof to my christians just make shit up argument. Jesus was not born in Nazareth because.

Quote:There exists no epigraphic or archaeological evidence that a city called Nazareth even existed prior to 60 or 70 CE at the earliest, and even if a tiny village did exist, would residence there be what the prophets had in mind to fulfill a messianic prophesy. “It was a tiny rural hamlet. The problem is that it wasn’t known by that name. It was actually a tiny, unnamed collection of about a dozen huts near the town of Gat-Hyefer, and was never known by the name of Nazareth until it was picked by a fifth-century Christian Roman emperor to be Nazareth, because he was embarrassed by the fact that no town by that name actually existed.”–Scott Bidstrup, “The Case Against ‘The Case for Christ’.”

http://jesusbirthermovement.tumblr.com/p...he-claimed

I was walking my ass, nicknamed Balaam, when out of it's ass spoke the lord of god, saying "snowtracks is really going to say something stupid about biblical prophecies!" I replied to the lord, "no shit sherlock" and whipped his ass. I now prophesize that a theist will come forth soon to defend their delusions with all the wit and reason their third grade minds can muster. So sayeth the brakeman.

(November 7, 2013 at 8:27 pm)snowtracks Wrote:

(November 6, 2013 at 9:05 pm)Esquilax Wrote: How do you know?


How do you know, and what's your definition of "information?" Because, that's kind of an airy, vague word.

evolutionary theory is a step by step process. the information from the previously step must be maintained. it like in computer programming, the "if, then, else" type routine is used in the subsequent step of data from the previous step to make decisions. this information grows exponentially with each step.

That is not at all accurate. There is no requirement that information be preserved. Any amount of change may occur.

You are focused on the wrong thing. It is a blind algorithm encompassing random change and reproductive success.

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(November 9, 2013 at 11:56 pm)snowtracks Wrote:

(November 6, 2013 at 9:52 pm)Zazzy Wrote: Please learn to read, snowtracks. Crick died in 2004, and was hinky on evolution anyway. Monod died in the 70s.

So you can't name a living evolutionary biologist besides Dawkins (who hasn't done anything except popularize other people's research for decades). So you aren't exactly up on your evolutionary theory. Right-o. Go away now.

crick (nobel laureate) thought of the beginning of life as a lucky accident that occurred somewhere in the U. so he advanced the theory of directed panspermia which is an approach to explain life's first occurrence on earth as the work of aliens by seeding it with life.

That explains precisely nothing - it just moves the origin.

The lucky accident occurring on earth is a simpler explanation.

(November 10, 2013 at 3:35 am)Esquilax Wrote:

(November 10, 2013 at 3:06 am)snowtracks Wrote: here's one -
from: bibleresearch.org
The Temple destruction prophecy
"not one stone here will be left on another" - it's all about the gold

Could you get a more self fulfilling prophecy? A building from a time of uniformly shitty construction standards will fall? And ooh, no time limit on that either, how convenient.

See, that's the prophecy game; make vague, general statements without instantiating a specific time, and then eventually, something happens in some place at some time that can be spun into a confirmation of that prophecy.

But when the bible actually does give a serious time limit, or details? It doesn't work out so- ahem- miraculously: what do you say about Tyre, Snowy? Prophesied to fall by the hand of a specific foe, and yet it still stands today, and was only ever invaded by someone completely different. A failed prophecy at every conceivable level, and so it's swept under the rug, or spun in the other direction.

And so goes the apologetic game...

Precisely.

It's like saying "the world will end". Well, duh. If by world we mean the Earth, then of course it will. The earth will be obliterated when sol goes supernova, if nothing else destroys it before then.

But the bible doesn't make an vague predictions about the world being destroyed so I guess it passes that test...oh...

(November 10, 2013 at 3:35 am)Esquilax Wrote:

(November 10, 2013 at 3:06 am)snowtracks Wrote: here's one -
from: bibleresearch.org
The Temple destruction prophecy
"not one stone here will be left on another" - it's all about the gold

Could you get a more self fulfilling prophecy? A building from a time of uniformly shitty construction standards will fall? And ooh, no time limit on that either, how convenient.

See, that's the prophecy game; make vague, general statements without instantiating a specific time, and then eventually, something happens in some place at some time that can be spun into a confirmation of that prophecy.

But when the bible actually does give a serious time limit, or details? It doesn't work out so- ahem- miraculously: what do you say about Tyre, Snowy? Prophesied to fall by the hand of a specific foe, and yet it still stands today, and was only ever invaded by someone completely different. A failed prophecy at every conceivable level, and so it's swept under the rug, or spun in the other direction.

And so goes the apologetic game...

the temple hasn't been located, so evidently it was destroyed.

I don't think I could achieve this much fail by intentionally trying, even on my best day with a full 'mania' tailwind helping me.

(November 10, 2013 at 7:14 pm)snowtracks Wrote: the temple hasn't been located, so evidently it was destroyed.

And even if it was, it doesn't matter for the reasons I posted, but I'm glad you opted to tack an argument from ignorance onto your prophecy apologetic.

(November 10, 2013 at 7:14 pm)snowtracks Wrote:

(November 10, 2013 at 3:35 am)Esquilax Wrote: Could you get a more self fulfilling prophecy? A building from a time of uniformly shitty construction standards will fall? And ooh, no time limit on that either, how convenient.

See, that's the prophecy game; make vague, general statements without instantiating a specific time, and then eventually, something happens in some place at some time that can be spun into a confirmation of that prophecy.

But when the bible actually does give a serious time limit, or details? It doesn't work out so- ahem- miraculously: what do you say about Tyre, Snowy? Prophesied to fall by the hand of a specific foe, and yet it still stands today, and was only ever invaded by someone completely different. A failed prophecy at every conceivable level, and so it's swept under the rug, or spun in the other direction.

And so goes the apologetic game...

the temple hasn't been located, so evidently it was destroyed.

Actually the spot of the second temple that the romans destroyed is in a well known location. It is currently known as the dome of rock and is a Muslim temple commentate s the spot where the prophet Mohammad ascended into heaven.

(November 10, 2013 at 10:37 am)Chas Wrote:

(November 7, 2013 at 8:27 pm)snowtracks Wrote: evolutionary theory is a step by step process. the information from the previously step must be maintained. it like in computer programming, the "if, then, else" type routine is used in the subsequent step of data from the previous step to make decisions. this information grows exponentially with each step.

That is not at all accurate. There is no requirement that information be preserved. Any amount of change may occur.

You are focused on the wrong thing. It is a blind algorithm encompassing random change and reproductive success.

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(November 9, 2013 at 11:56 pm)snowtracks Wrote: for proteins to build the cell, according to molecular information theorist, dna supplies copious amount of information which is used at various precise time during the cell's construction.