(November 10, 2013 at 1:58 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: How long was he in the grave before urban legends were told about him faking his own death? How many testified to "Elvish sightings"? And he wasn't a religious icon promising the resurrection of the dead. He lived in the modern age and not the superstitious time of 1st century Judea.


Why is it then so impossible to believe that ignorant and superstitious people wouldn't start believing fanciful tales about Jesus rising from the grave?

2000 years from now there will be Elivsists all over the place proclaiming Elvis as the true son of God and rose from the dead.

(November 11, 2013 at 12:04 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote:

(November 10, 2013 at 1:58 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: How long was he in the grave before urban legends were told about him faking his own death? How many testified to "Elvish sightings"? And he wasn't a religious icon promising the resurrection of the dead. He lived in the modern age and not the superstitious time of 1st century Judea.


Why is it then so impossible to believe that ignorant and superstitious people wouldn't start believing fanciful tales about Jesus rising from the grave?

2000 years from now there will be Elivsists all over the place proclaiming Elvis as the true son of God and rose from the dead.

proof?

To me it seems that once elivis' generation dies there will be few who will even think of him unless dying on the crapper comes up. Which is the problem Jesus would have faced if not for some profound event/evidence or need that cemented him into the culture.

Quote:Which is the problem Jesus would have faced if not for some profound event/evidence or need that cemented him into the culture.

Or, a church which wished to maintain its revenue stream by murdering anyone who dared dispute their bullshit.

You never quite seem to grasp the realities of power and money, Drippy. You are quite naive. I get that you really really want to believe your nonsense is true but it does make you look like a total fool.

(November 10, 2013 at 1:29 pm)xpastor Wrote: Many would answer that it was borrowed from the Osiris myth.

Perhaps. However, I start from the premise that Yeshua was a historical figure, an itinerant rabbi with considerable rhetorical prowess, who got himself crucified by the Romans and remained dead.

So my answer is cognitive dissonance.

When people believe something intensely, and it fails to happen, they can't live with that. They have to invent a story to prove that it really did happen in an unexpected way.

The problem with such explanations is that they can also support opposite scenarios.

For instance, consider yourself. You believed. Then you read some things in the OT and judged god as unworthy. This sets up cognitive dissonance - if you continue to believe you end up in hell and don't want to consider that. So, you found reasons to discontinue belief.

I'm not saying that's what actually happened. I'm just saying that broad concepts like cognitive dissonance can generate tales that go any which way, and so don't really have much value.

It doesn't matter how the Jesus myth originated, fantastic bullshit claims are still that, products of human imagination and no different than Muslims or Jews or Hindus, or the polytheism of the Ancient Egyptians or Greeks or Romans.

(November 11, 2013 at 12:27 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:Which is the problem Jesus would have faced if not for some profound event/evidence or need that cemented him into the culture.

Or, a church which wished to maintain its revenue stream by murdering anyone who dared dispute their bullshit.

You never quite seem to grasp the realities of power and money, Drippy. You are quite naive. I get that you really really want to believe your nonsense is true but it does make you look like a total fool.

your about 1000 years off with your assessment minnie. In the time frame being discussed it was the christians who were being murdered for their beliefs.

Read and learn how much horseshit you have been spoonfed, son.

It might do you some good.

http://www.harpercollins.com/browseinsid...0062104526

This problem for the Jewish priest could have been easily solved. All they had to do is open the grave and show Jesus was still in the grave, why didn't they should be the question nonbelievers ask themselves, why didn't they.

GC

(November 11, 2013 at 6:15 pm)Godschild Wrote: This problem for the Jewish priest could have been easily solved. All they had to do is open the grave and show Jesus was still in the grave, why didn't they should be the question nonbelievers ask themselves, why didn't they.

Say, where is that grave, anyways?

(November 11, 2013 at 6:15 pm)Godschild Wrote: This problem for the Jewish priest could have been easily solved. All they had to do is open the grave and show Jesus was still in the grave, why didn't they should be the question nonbelievers ask themselves, why didn't they.

GC

Assuming any such grave existed. That's a big assumption on your part.