The core reason to reject all claims of the super natural and god claims is lack of evidence, no matter who is doing the claiming. But another reason to reject god claims is the cherry picking dodge pinning no accountability on such a god in the face of cruelty and suffering under their alleged watch.

While Harris is addressing Christianity, this also applies to Muslims and Jews as well because of the "all powerful" and "all loving" and "all seeing" attributes. So please try if you wish to justify a counter to Sam Harris's argument.

(November 11, 2013 at 11:04 am)Brian37 Wrote: The core reason to reject all claims of the super natural and god claims is lack of evidence, no matter who is doing the claiming. But another reason to reject god claims is the cherry picking dodge pinning no accountability on such a god in the face of cruelty and suffering under their alleged watch.

While Harris is addressing Christianity, this also applies to Muslims and Jews as well because of the "all powerful" and "all loving" and "all seeing" attributes. So please try if you wish to justify a counter to Sam Harris's argument.

I didn't see the video, but going by your explanation, it seems he provides the reason for rejecting the Abrahamic god - not "all" gods.

I would say mainly the Abrahamic God, but any & all gods which are claimed to be omnipotent.

(November 15, 2013 at 11:01 am)genkaus Wrote:

(November 11, 2013 at 11:04 am)Brian37 Wrote: The core reason to reject all claims of the super natural and god claims is lack of evidence, no matter who is doing the claiming. But another reason to reject god claims is the cherry picking dodge pinning no accountability on such a god in the face of cruelty and suffering under their alleged watch.

While Harris is addressing Christianity, this also applies to Muslims and Jews as well because of the "all powerful" and "all loving" and "all seeing" attributes. So please try if you wish to justify a counter to Sam Harris's argument.

I didn't see the video, but going by your explanation, it seems he provides the reason for rejecting the Abrahamic god - not "all" gods.

No, I do mean all gods. Why would a super hero not save you when it could. It would either be inept or malicious. The concept of any god is broken for this very reason.

If god was real, just reading the bible should show the contrast of morality according to humanity and the same according to god. God condones abortion, genocide, rape, child sacrifice, suppression of women's rights, polygamy and animal sacrifice. What would happen if a bunch of people stood up and supported a mass murderer or serial rapist? The concept of these false gods are no different

It has been said by many skeptics in many ways, but we often make the observation that believers would not do what their claimed god does which means they have better morals than the god they worship.

That baffles my mind

I wish Sam Harris would apply his own arguments to Buddhism. He is a hypocrite.

(November 15, 2013 at 2:26 pm)Bipolar Bob Wrote: I wish Sam Harris would apply his own arguments to Buddhism. He is a hypocrite.

Ouch, but yea. I do love the guy, I think he kicked ass in his book "The End Of Faith" and "Letter To A Christian Nation". But his Buddhist woo gives me a lip twitch.

(November 15, 2013 at 12:17 pm)Brian37 Wrote: No, I do mean all gods. Why would a super hero not save you when it could. It would either be inept or malicious. The concept of any god is broken for this very reason.

Unfortunately, the idea that "it would save yo if it could" is not a part of god's definition. Other reasons for not saving you would be "it doesn't care" or "not his problem".