(February 6, 2010 at 5:46 pm)Darwinian Wrote:

(February 6, 2010 at 5:24 pm)David Henson Wrote: What is really amazing to me is that almost all of those images are amazing from more a creationist perspective than a scientific one. Most of them have nothing to do with science other than science may have observed them.

And understood them, and predicted them, and explained them in rational terms that do not require the presence of an omnipotent creator existing outside the realms of space or time.

Understood? Such certainty you have in the moment! Predicted? You mean "foretell on the basis of observation, experience, or scientific reason?" Subjective unless you intend to establish that you preceded them and then wrong. Explained them in rational terms. Subjective, assumption.

Examples? Let's have a go

Understood: Whilst science certainly doesn't understand everything it certainly understands far more about the phenomena detailed in this thread than any creationist viewpoint.

Predicted: Of course, Black Holes (for example) were predicted long before any evidence of them was observed. Creationism hadn't to my knowledge, predicted them beforehand.

Explained: Science does a very good job at explaining these amazing things, that, you cannot rationally deny. Creationism only explains the ignorance of those minds that are closed to logic and reason and seek anthropic explanations for things that are outside their narrow view of reality.

(February 6, 2010 at 5:24 pm)David Henson Wrote: What is really amazing to me is that almost all of those images are amazing from more a creationist perspective than a scientific one. Most of them have nothing to do with science other than science may have observed them.

A non-theistic person can still feel awe when presented with natural phenomenon, no Sunday subscription or belief in a god concept required.

This 'awe' is a very natural human response to the complexity of reality.

Well said

(February 6, 2010 at 6:05 pm)Darwinian Wrote: Examples? Let's have a go

Understood: Whilst science certainly doesn't understand everything it certainly understands far more about the phenomena detailed in this thread than any creationist viewpoint.

In other words it isn't possible that a scientist in any of the fields concerned primarily with the images given and more knowledgable than yourself in his / her field could believe in creation?

(February 6, 2010 at 6:05 pm)Darwinian Wrote: Predicted: Of course, Black Holes (for example) were predicted long before any evidence of them was observed. Creationism hadn't to my knowledge, predicted them beforehand.

Is this as impressive as Star Trek predicting cell phones? Has science ever predicted anything wrong in your eyes? How much is now known about black holes?

(February 6, 2010 at 6:05 pm)Darwinian Wrote: Explained: Science does a very good job at explaining these amazing things, that, you cannot rationally deny.

Not at all.

(February 6, 2010 at 6:05 pm)Darwinian Wrote: Creationism only explains the ignorance of those minds that are closed to logic and reason and seek anthropic explanations for things that are outside their narrow view of reality.

Are you suggesting that I am an ignorant closed minded illogical person with a narrow view of reality? Because, if and when we really start to discuss my idea of creationism you might have to brush up on your Hebrew and Greek and Latin. Making some readjustments in your own thinking.

Quote:Are you suggesting that I am an ignorant closed minded illogical person with a narrow view of reality?

I don't believe I mentioned you at all.

Quote: Because, if and when we really start to discuss my idea of creationism you might have to brush up on your Hebrew and Greek and Latin. Making some readjustments in your own thinking.

Actually, I would be very interested in your view of creationism and if any readjustments in my own thinking are required then I am more than willing to make them.

(February 6, 2010 at 7:05 pm)Darwinian Wrote: I don't believe I mentioned you at all.

I believe in creation. And am apparently religious.

(February 6, 2010 at 7:05 pm)Darwinian Wrote: Actually, I would be very interested in your view of creationism and if any readjustments in my own thinking are required then I am more than willing to make them.

Then we can learn from each other. In fairness and objectivity; I will try not to dismiss science out of hand.

Quote:Then we can learn from each other.

Fair enough..

Quote:I will try not to dismiss science out of hand.

Very pleased to hear it.

heres one

now why would god create viruses?

(February 6, 2010 at 8:32 pm)Ashes1995 Wrote: now why would god create viruses?

Like people you mean?