(November 21, 2013 at 9:44 pm)Chad32 Wrote: I've talked to a few christians recently, and they both went with "Where did it all come from?". I forgot to ask them, even if I grant that it had to be a deity, that only gets you as far as deism. Judaism, the religion that christianity is based on, was not the first religion. It didn't even have the first creation story.

Let's say we go with the popular "there had to be a beginning", and even say that Yahweh didn't need one. What now? How do we get from there picking Yahweh as the right one? Why not hinduism, possibly the oldest religion out there? Or the Babylonian religion?

People did not pick Yahweh, He has chosen them throughout history, that would be sorta like you picking your parents, you couldn't and by the way they did not pick you, they got what God gave them.
If you're going to base your assumption on Yahweh, then you have to assume that the worship of Yahweh came first, not the other religions. God being creator directed with great care through history, Christianity. It is His ultimate will.

(November 22, 2013 at 1:58 am)Godschild Wrote: People did not pick Yahweh, He has chosen them throughout history, that would be sorta like you picking your parents, you couldn't and by the way they did not pick you, they got what God gave them.
If you're going to base your assumption on Yahweh, then you have to assume that the worship of Yahweh came first, not the other religions. God being creator directed with great care through history, Christianity. It is His ultimate will.

People did not pick Chuck Norris, He has chosen them throughout history, that would be sorta like you picking your parents, you couldn't and by the way they did not pick you, they got what Chuck gave them.
If you're going to base your assumption on Chuck Norris, then you have to assume that the worship of Chuck Norris came first, not the other religions. Chuck being creator directed with great care through history, Chuckianity. It is His ultimate will.

(November 22, 2013 at 1:58 am)Godschild Wrote:

(November 21, 2013 at 9:44 pm)Chad32 Wrote: I've talked to a few christians recently, and they both went with "Where did it all come from?". I forgot to ask them, even if I grant that it had to be a deity, that only gets you as far as deism. Judaism, the religion that christianity is based on, was not the first religion. It didn't even have the first creation story.

Let's say we go with the popular "there had to be a beginning", and even say that Yahweh didn't need one. What now? How do we get from there picking Yahweh as the right one? Why not hinduism, possibly the oldest religion out there? Or the Babylonian religion?

People did not pick Yahweh, He has chosen them throughout history, that would be sorta like you picking your parents, you couldn't and by the way they did not pick you, they got what God gave them.
If you're going to base your assumption on Yahweh, then you have to assume that the worship of Yahweh came first, not the other religions. God being creator directed with great care through history, Christianity. It is His ultimate will.

The biggest word in that last sentence is "If."

Even if you get that far you are down to Judaism, Christianity or Islam in chronological order.

Of course if you then choose Christianity then there is the particular flavour. How many distinct churches are there again? Thousands, aren't there?

Yeah - good luck with that.

Yhwh is a human invention, G-C. The sooner you get that through your thick fucking head the better off you'll be.

(November 22, 2013 at 2:54 am)Minimalist Wrote: Yhwh is a human invention, G-C. The sooner you get that through your thick fucking head the better off you'll be.

That's like saying sooner the frog turns into a prince the better off the frog will be. Alway true in theory, never testable in practice.

(November 22, 2013 at 1:58 am)Godschild Wrote: If you're going to base your assumption on Yahweh...

Nope.

No evidence for your god. It's on an equitable status regarding it's existence to the tooth fairy.

Christianity is a story that explains how reality works within you but most people (especially Christians) don't know that or understand it yet. While everyone is ultimately going to understand this story first hand, till they do, its just a story one either believes or not.

(November 22, 2013 at 6:12 am)Firstruth Wrote: Christianity is a story that explains how reality works within you but most people (especially Christians) don't know that or understand it yet. While everyone is ultimately going to understand this story first hand, till they do, its just a story one either believes or not.

If you like esotericism, you should shed the Judeo-Christian husk and look towards the Indian subcontinent. They do it mo bettah.

(November 22, 2013 at 3:03 am)Chuck Wrote:

(November 22, 2013 at 2:54 am)Minimalist Wrote: Yhwh is a human invention, G-C. The sooner you get that through your thick fucking head the better off you'll be.

That's like saying sooner the frog turns into a prince the better off the frog will be. Alway true in theory, never testable in practice.

Well, when the frog turns into a prince he gets to hump the princess. So...why not?

(November 22, 2013 at 2:10 am)max-greece Wrote:

(November 22, 2013 at 1:58 am)Godschild Wrote: People did not pick Yahweh, He has chosen them throughout history, that would be sorta like you picking your parents, you couldn't and by the way they did not pick you, they got what God gave them.
If you're going to base your assumption on Yahweh, then you have to assume that the worship of Yahweh came first, not the other religions. God being creator directed with great care through history, Christianity. It is His ultimate will.

The biggest word in that last sentence is "If."

Even if you get that far you are down to Judaism, Christianity or Islam in chronological order.

Of course if you then choose Christianity then there is the particular flavour. How many distinct churches are there again? Thousands, aren't there?

Yeah - good luck with that.

That was going to be my next response. It's actually quite a long line to get where most people are. Not to mention that, though it's claimed that Jesus served Yahweh, he definitely said things that go contrary to what Yahweh said in the old testament.