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RE: How do you get from "beginning of the universe" to christianity?
November 22, 2013 at 2:42 pm
(November 22, 2013 at 12:45 pm)super spidey man Wrote:
(November 22, 2013 at 12:20 pm)Chuck Wrote: None. All religions share the same fundamental flaw that no amount of sophistry, cheap shots, and appeal to the worst instincts of the masses can ever hide.
The fact that a false story, if true, would be nice doesn't make it even a single measure less false. The fact that it is false is the only attribute which in the end matters.
I think what he was asking if god was real what religion would he follow.
RE: How do you get from "beginning of the universe" to christianity?
November 22, 2013 at 2:47 pm
I didn't read this thread, but I saw the title and thought to myself, "A head injury."
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
RE: How do you get from "beginning of the universe" to christianity?
November 22, 2013 at 2:49 pm (This post was last modified: November 22, 2013 at 2:58 pm by Anomalocaris.)
(November 22, 2013 at 2:47 pm)Faith No More Wrote: I didn't read this thread, but I saw the title and thought to myself, "A head injury."
Yeah, something like that.
Beginning of universe, beginning of earth, beginning of life, beginning of primates, beginning of human cognition, human cognition malfunctions, bingo, Christainity!
RE: How do you get from "beginning of the universe" to christianity?
November 22, 2013 at 3:21 pm (This post was last modified: November 22, 2013 at 3:37 pm by Godscreated.)
(November 22, 2013 at 2:09 am)Sejanus Wrote:
(November 22, 2013 at 1:58 am)Godschild Wrote: People did not pick Yahweh, He has chosen them throughout history, that would be sorta like you picking your parents, you couldn't and by the way they did not pick you, they got what God gave them.
If you're going to base your assumption on Yahweh, then you have to assume that the worship of Yahweh came first, not the other religions. God being creator directed with great care through history, Christianity. It is His ultimate will.
People did not pick Chuck Norris, He has chosen them throughout history, that would be sorta like you picking your parents, you couldn't and by the way they did not pick you, they got what Chuck gave them.
If you're going to base your assumption on Chuck Norris, then you have to assume that the worship of Chuck Norris came first, not the other religions. Chuck being creator directed with great care through history, Chuckianity. It is His ultimate will.
Oh I differ on this, Chuck Norris would be nothing more than an unknown actor without those who chose to watch his movies and shows. Chuck may be good at kicking peoples butts but, he falls short on knowing everyone who has lived and is living or ever will live. Chuck being created by God is a finite being who's life lies in the hands of the God he was chosen him. By the way I've heard but can not confirm that Chuck chose to accept God's call for his life.
GC
(November 22, 2013 at 2:10 am)max-greece Wrote:
(November 22, 2013 at 1:58 am)Godschild Wrote: People did not pick Yahweh, He has chosen them throughout history, that would be sorta like you picking your parents, you couldn't and by the way they did not pick you, they got what God gave them.
If you're going to base your assumption on Yahweh, then you have to assume that the worship of Yahweh came first, not the other religions. God being creator directed with great care through history, Christianity. It is His ultimate will.
The biggest word in that last sentence is "If."
Even if you get that far you are down to Judaism, Christianity or Islam in chronological order.
Of course if you then choose Christianity then there is the particular flavour. How many distinct churches are there again? Thousands, aren't there?
Yeah - good luck with that.
I qualified 'IF' at the beginning of the statement, so all that follows must follow the assumption. You on the other hand have thrown 'ifs' in at random, why, only to try and confuse an otherwise obvious orderly thought. The 'IF' qualifies the statement because he did not have to make such an assumption. However he did and thus the statement must follow the logical path.
GC
(November 22, 2013 at 6:10 am)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote:
(November 22, 2013 at 1:58 am)Godschild Wrote: If you're going to base your assumption on Yahweh...
Nope.
No evidence for your god. It's on an equitable status regarding it's existence to the tooth fairy.
We were going on an assumption, can't you see what's before your face, you like evidence, it's there in black and white.
GC
(November 22, 2013 at 11:17 am)Chad32 Wrote:
(November 22, 2013 at 2:10 am)max-greece Wrote: The biggest word in that last sentence is "If."
Even if you get that far you are down to Judaism, Christianity or Islam in chronological order.
Of course if you then choose Christianity then there is the particular flavour. How many distinct churches are there again? Thousands, aren't there?
Yeah - good luck with that.
That was going to be my next response. It's actually quite a long line to get where most people are. Not to mention that, though it's claimed that Jesus served Yahweh, he definitely said things that go contrary to what Yahweh said in the old testament.
Yahweh is the Trinity, thus Christ is part of Yahweh. Read my reply to 'maxy' it applies to you also.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
RE: How do you get from "beginning of the universe" to christianity?
November 22, 2013 at 3:51 pm (This post was last modified: November 22, 2013 at 3:53 pm by max-greece.)
(November 22, 2013 at 3:21 pm)Godschild Wrote:
(November 22, 2013 at 2:09 am)Sejanus Wrote:
People did not pick Chuck Norris, He has chosen them throughout history, that would be sorta like you picking your parents, you couldn't and by the way they did not pick you, they got what Chuck gave them.
If you're going to base your assumption on Chuck Norris, then you have to assume that the worship of Chuck Norris came first, not the other religions. Chuck being creator directed with great care through history, Chuckianity. It is His ultimate will.
Oh I differ on this, Chuck Norris would be nothing more than an unknown actor without those who chose to watch his movies and shows. Chuck may be good at kicking peoples butts but, he falls short on knowing everyone who has lived and is living or ever will live. Chuck being created by God is a finite being who's life lies in the hands of the God he was chosen him. By the way I've heard but can not confirm that Chuck chose to accept God's call for his life.
GC
(November 22, 2013 at 2:10 am)max-greece Wrote:
The biggest word in that last sentence is "If."
Even if you get that far you are down to Judaism, Christianity or Islam in chronological order.
Of course if you then choose Christianity then there is the particular flavour. How many distinct churches are there again? Thousands, aren't there?
Yeah - good luck with that.
I qualified 'IF' at the beginning of the statement, so all that follows must follow the assumption. You on the other hand have thrown 'ifs' in at random, why, only to try and confuse an otherwise obvious orderly thought. The 'IF' qualifies the statement because he did not have to make such an assumption. However he did and thus the statement must follow the logical path.
GC
(November 22, 2013 at 6:10 am)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: Nope.
No evidence for your god. It's on an equitable status regarding it's existence to the tooth fairy.
We were going on an assumption, can't you see what's before your face, you like evidence, it's there in black and white.
GC
(November 22, 2013 at 11:17 am)Chad32 Wrote: That was going to be my next response. It's actually quite a long line to get where most people are. Not to mention that, though it's claimed that Jesus served Yahweh, he definitely said things that go contrary to what Yahweh said in the old testament.
Yahweh is the Trinity, thus Christ is part of Yahweh. Read my reply to 'maxy' it applies to you also.
GC
Thrown "ifs" in at random?
Once you are on the Yahweh path you have 3 main choices, correct?
If you select the second of those choices - Christianity, then you have a plethora of further choices.
You stopped at the second choice - OK - it was in the OP - but from there - which group? Catholic? Greek Orthodox? Protestant? Jehovah's Witness? Mormon? Quaker?.......
Each one of those delights in telling you that they are on the only true path and that only they will be going to heaven. Now its possible that they are all wrong in that, but, if they are, maybe the whole thing is wrong.
The Jews and the Moslems will certainly say that they are all wrong. I'd guess Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs and all the rest would agree.
From where I sit the chance of you being right even if there is a theistic God is thousands to one against.
Why can I never get hide tags to work properly?
Kuusi palaa, ja on viimeinen kerta kun annan vaimoni laittaa jouluvalot!
RE: How do you get from "beginning of the universe" to christianity?
November 22, 2013 at 4:21 pm
(November 22, 2013 at 3:21 pm)Godschild Wrote: Yahweh is the Trinity, thus Christ is part of Yahweh. Read my reply to 'maxy' it applies to you also.
GC
It's kind of confusing, because at times Jesus didn't act like he was Yahweh, or part of Yahweh. What's the point of Satan tempting him if he isn't a separate being. Why say "Let not my will, but your will be done" and "My God, why have you forsaken me?" If he is part of Yahweh.
Not that that's even close to the only confusing thing about that mess of a holy book.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."
RE: How do you get from "beginning of the universe" to christianity?
November 22, 2013 at 5:09 pm
Especially one as self centered and demanding as Yahweh is claimed to be.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."
RE: How do you get from "beginning of the universe" to christianity?
November 22, 2013 at 7:55 pm
(November 22, 2013 at 3:21 pm)Godschild Wrote: Oh I differ on this, Chuck Norris would be nothing more than an unknown actor without those who chose to watch his movies and shows. Chuck may be good at kicking peoples butts but, he falls short on knowing everyone who has lived and is living or ever will live. Chuck being created by God is a finite being who's life lies in the hands of the God he was chosen him. By the way I've heard but can not confirm that Chuck chose to accept God's call for his life.
