(November 17, 2013 at 11:01 pm)Deidre32 Wrote: Muslim Scholar,

Why is it necessary to refute evolution in order to prove God's existence? Do you feel that in order to follow your religion, you also can't accept the theory of evolution? Is it because Darwin's theory doesn't of course support a theist's belief that humans have souls? And this would throw a monkey wrench into the whole heaven/hell concoction?

Help me understand your point. No, I didn't read this entire thread.

Actually I'm not refuting evolution; it may happened
I'm refuting nu-intelligent evolution

Any person who understands statistics, will know that for evolution to happen; billions and billions of ridiculous, non-sense, with nonfunctional organs, etc. must exist

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(November 12, 2013 at 2:41 am)Beccs Wrote: Whenever someone states that they can refute evolution I always have to wonder why they haven't managed to write a science paper, get it peer-reviewed, and then published.

Such refutation for what is a fundamental science, and a science that has given birth to other scientific disciplines would be a guarantee for a Nobel Prize.

Of course, they always make the claim that such research and science exists but there's an international conspiracy among scientists to keep that evidence suppressed.

Of course, this is nonsense since science is a cut throat field and many scientists would jump at the chance for the fame and funding such a revelation would get.

Because non-intelligent evolution is more of a religion than science
If you read any "research" about that, you will notice from the first moment the amount of pathetic trials of explaining the non-existence of evolution evidence and gaps, etc.

(November 21, 2013 at 2:56 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: Any person who understands statistics, will know that for evolution to happen; billions and billions of ridiculous, non-sense, with nonfunctional organs, etc. must exist

And then when those are pointed out to you- plus the fact that over ninety percent of the species ever to exist on earth are dead due to exactly that- you dishonestly move the goalposts to something even more vague. You aren't interested in having a conversation, you're interested in gloating: stop pretending.

Quote:Because non-intelligent evolution is more of a religion than science
If you read any "research" about that, you will notice from the first moment the amount of pathetic trials of explaining the non-existence of evolution evidence and gaps, etc.

Yes, you're exactly right: non-directed evolution is a religion, because there's some benefit- that you just haven't mentioned, I'm sure- to adhering to that regardless of the facts. Despite the fact that proving an intelligence behind evolution would earn a Nobel Prize at the least, and millions of dollars at most. Despite the fact that success in science is results based, in terms of applicability. Despite the fact that intentionally getting things wrong gets one discredited in science. It's a religion.

A religion that every last mainstream scientist, in every culture across the world, including those that are religious, is a member of, and that not a single one of them, ever, have ever gone against, despite the immense personal success such a thing would grant them. Clearly.

That's much more sensible than the alternative, which is that you are flat fucking wrong.

You're right: a global conspiracy against the interests of every last one of its participants must be the right way.

I keep coming back to the same question. Are Muslims an embarrassment to humanity, or is Muslim scholar simply an embarrassment to Muslims. Having heard Honza speak, I'm inclined to think Muslim morality isn't the only thing with its head up its ass, hoping the 17th century's rationalist vibe will "just blow over." People like Muslim Scholar are proof positive that Islam doesn't deserve a seat at the table.

(November 21, 2013 at 3:55 am)apophenia Wrote: I keep coming back to the same question. Are Muslims an embarrassment to humanity, or is Muslim scholar simply an embarrassment to Muslims.

The answer, of course, is both.

(November 21, 2013 at 3:37 am)Esquilax Wrote:

(November 21, 2013 at 2:56 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: Any person who understands statistics, will know that for evolution to happen; billions and billions of ridiculous, non-sense, with nonfunctional organs, etc. must exist

And then when those are pointed out to you- plus the fact that over ninety percent of the species ever to exist on earth are dead due to exactly that- you dishonestly move the goalposts to something even more vague. You aren't interested in having a conversation, you're interested in gloating: stop pretending.

You are wrong, I'm not asking about those species
I'm asking about things that evolute for totally not beneficial reasons
for example a non-functional eye on your ass

(November 28, 2013 at 3:58 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: You are wrong, I'm not asking about those species
I'm asking about things that evolute for totally not beneficial reasons
for example a non-functional eye on your ass

To which I pointed you, months ago, to the squid, with their donut shaped brains, and esophagi that travel right through the middle of them. An evolution, with no beneficial reasoning behind it.

You waved me off with some nonsense that still makes no sense, which is why I reminded you that you're really just here to gloat at yourself.

And you conveniently forgot to enlighten us as to the scientific conspiracy you alluded to last time, too.

Derp!

- anonymous MS victim

(November 28, 2013 at 3:58 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote:

(November 21, 2013 at 3:37 am)Esquilax Wrote: And then when those are pointed out to you- plus the fact that over ninety percent of the species ever to exist on earth are dead due to exactly that- you dishonestly move the goalposts to something even more vague. You aren't interested in having a conversation, you're interested in gloating: stop pretending.

You are wrong, I'm not asking about those species
I'm asking about things that evolute for totally not beneficial reasons
for example a non-functional eye on your ass

Selection isn't random. There is no reason for any of these abnormalities that are non-beneficial to be selected for. Your strawman is bad and you should feel bad.

(November 28, 2013 at 5:00 am)Esquilax Wrote:

(November 28, 2013 at 3:58 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: You are wrong, I'm not asking about those species
I'm asking about things that evolute for totally not beneficial reasons
for example a non-functional eye on your ass

To which I pointed you, months ago, to the squid, with their donut shaped brains, and esophagi that travel right through the middle of them. An evolution, with no beneficial reasoning behind it.

You waved me off with some nonsense that still makes no sense, which is why I reminded you that you're really just here to gloat at yourself.

And you conveniently forgot to enlighten us as to the scientific conspiracy you alluded to last time, too.

Dude you have nipples for nursing young that you can not use, quiet literally tits on a bull.

I discovered a refutation of evolution! So, naturally, I'm gonna post it on an atheist forum! Win!

Ahh, not.