Show us this deductive argument, like now. Further, educate yourself some on differing views of time. Human intuition gives a VERY simplistic view as to the nature of time. One view in particular has massive evidence in its favor: the B-theory of time, which sees time as static, and thus the past and future can be said to be equally as real.

With regards to causation, that's quite possibly shredded by quantum mechanics (and David Hume) disputing that all causation is as such.

(November 29, 2013 at 1:49 am)houseofcantor Wrote: Yeah, wtf is "atheistic origin science?" I heard that a lot of atheists originated from reading the Bible, is that what you mean?

Scientific consensus, however, is rather content with the idea of singularity then universe. And has been mentioned, it is a model based on General Relativity where the equations only make sense for values of time t>0.

Scientific consensus is also pretty content with the of causal origin at singularity, i.e. that before has no meaningful context. And these answers may not be emotionally satisfying, but these are the answers that work. These are the answers that haven't been shown to be, as yet, wrong.

Unlike creation myths - which have all been shown to be myth.

I think I asked the samething about 48 pages ago

I'm so tired of cutting through all this crap that I've had a special stamp made.

(December 3, 2013 at 9:29 pm)snowtracks Wrote: God is supra-dimensional to the cosmic timeline.

(December 3, 2013 at 9:29 pm)snowtracks Wrote: He is not usher along by it's one-directional cause-effect property or control by it in anyway.

(December 3, 2013 at 9:29 pm)snowtracks Wrote: It is known by deductive reasoning that He has access to at least to two dimensions of time and probably a time plane where He is able function with an infinite amount of time dim's.

Snowy, remember what we said about piling claim upon claim? Yeah, that.

(October 10, 2013 at 10:11 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.

The current “theory” is that the universe came into being from some explosion called the Big Bang. The standard Big Bang theory does not match smoothness of the cosmic background radiation. So the theory of Inflation was added to the standard Big Bang. That is the latest conjecture of modern science.

Now there are many problems with this “answer” to the origin of the universe. If nothing existed before the Big Bang, then the Big Bang violates a number of principle and laws of science. It violates conservation of mass-energy. The energy went from nothing to all the energy of the universe. It violates cause and effect. Nothing never just explodes and becomes something. It violates all observations, since nothing never just explodes into something. It also does not explain the origin of the laws of nature or why there is even order in the universe.

If something existed before the Big Bang, then the origin question is not answered at all. If the universe always existed, then the 2nd law of thermodynamics says that all order disappeared an infinite time ago. But that is not the case. Also there is still no explanation of the origin of the laws of nature or why there is even order in the universe.

There is no evidence that the universe even has a beginning. Just because there are questions that scientists can't answer doesn't mean a supernatural diety used magic to create life.

This is the God of the Gaps fallacy at its finest.

What? Atheistic origin science can't account for where the universe came from?! Why wasn't I notified?

Damn. I wonder if that means we are in danger of the universe going back out of existence. What do you think, guys? Should we pack it in and go back to church? Maybe if we believed hard enough that we had an adequate account for where the universe came from in God we could keep the universe from going away!

Naw, screw it. I'll take my chances.

(December 3, 2013 at 10:16 pm)Michael Schubert Wrote:

(October 10, 2013 at 10:11 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.

The current “theory” is that the universe came into being from some explosion called the Big Bang. The standard Big Bang theory does not match smoothness of the cosmic background radiation. So the theory of Inflation was added to the standard Big Bang. That is the latest conjecture of modern science.

Now there are many problems with this “answer” to the origin of the universe. If nothing existed before the Big Bang, then the Big Bang violates a number of principle and laws of science. It violates conservation of mass-energy. The energy went from nothing to all the energy of the universe. It violates cause and effect. Nothing never just explodes and becomes something. It violates all observations, since nothing never just explodes into something. It also does not explain the origin of the laws of nature or why there is even order in the universe.

If something existed before the Big Bang, then the origin question is not answered at all. If the universe always existed, then the 2nd law of thermodynamics says that all order disappeared an infinite time ago. But that is not the case. Also there is still no explanation of the origin of the laws of nature or why there is even order in the universe.

There is no evidence that the universe even has a beginning. Just because there are questions that scientists can't answer doesn't mean a supernatural diety used magic to create life.

This is the God of the Gaps fallacy at its finest.

space-time theorems says space and time began.
not magic, power.

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(December 3, 2013 at 10:14 pm)Stimbo Wrote: I'm so tired of cutting through all this crap that I've had a special stamp made.

(December 3, 2013 at 9:29 pm)snowtracks Wrote: God is supra-dimensional to the cosmic timeline.

(December 3, 2013 at 9:29 pm)snowtracks Wrote: He is not usher along by it's one-directional cause-effect property or control by it in anyway.

(December 3, 2013 at 9:29 pm)snowtracks Wrote: It is known by deductive reasoning that He has access to at least to two dimensions of time and probably a time plane where He is able function with an infinite amount of time dim's.

Snowy, remember what we said about piling claim upon claim? Yeah, that.

stamp is used whenever your subconscious says 'do something, in a hurry'.

Quote:God is supra-dimensional to the cosmic timeline.

Hey, its your creation. You can make him shit uranium nickles if you like.

Or snowflake, he could actually be using it where you need to provide proof.

(December 3, 2013 at 9:29 pm)snowtracks Wrote: God is supra-dimensional to the cosmic timeline. He is not usher along by it's one-directional cause-effect property or control by it in anyway.

(December 4, 2013 at 1:56 am)apophenia Wrote:

(December 3, 2013 at 9:29 pm)snowtracks Wrote: God is supra-dimensional to the cosmic timeline. He is not usher along by it's one-directional cause-effect property or control by it in anyway.

Woah, spiderman, take it up the ass or what.