(December 6, 2013 at 4:27 pm)daandaan Wrote: IF GODS ETERNAL , WHO CREATED ETERNITY FOR HIM TO BE ETERNAL ??

...you've got to be kidding right? just when I think there can't possibly be a stupider argument i'm proven wrong... well, i'll at least try to give a somewhat serious answer.

you do know that properties or states aren't created right? they are a part of entities. they can't be separated into their own essence, or else they would be an entity. so to answer your question; no one had to create eternity for God to be eternal. God can simply have that as his own property, or state of existence.

(December 7, 2013 at 9:32 am)Rational AKD Wrote:

(December 6, 2013 at 4:27 pm)daandaan Wrote: IF GODS ETERNAL , WHO CREATED ETERNITY FOR HIM TO BE ETERNAL ??

...you've got to be kidding right? just when I think there can't possibly be a stupider argument i'm proven wrong... well, i'll at least try to give a somewhat serious answer.

you do know that properties or states aren't created right? they are a part of entities. they can't be separated into their own essence, or else they would be an entity. so to answer your question; no one had to create eternity for God to be eternal. God can simply have that as his own property, or state of existence.

eternity is a place that has to be created as well ...becouse if it wasnt created ..no one can be eternal becouse of is nonexistance,,

smartass !!

so who created eternity for ur god allowing him to be eternal??

(December 7, 2013 at 2:46 pm)daandaan Wrote:

(December 7, 2013 at 9:32 am)Rational AKD Wrote: ...you've got to be kidding right? just when I think there can't possibly be a stupider argument i'm proven wrong... well, i'll at least try to give a somewhat serious answer.

you do know that properties or states aren't created right? they are a part of entities. they can't be separated into their own essence, or else they would be an entity. so to answer your question; no one had to create eternity for God to be eternal. God can simply have that as his own property, or state of existence.

eternity is a place that has to be created as well ...becouse if it wasnt created ..no one can be eternal becouse of is nonexistance,,

smartass !!

so who created eternity for ur god allowing him to be eternal??

We may think that this is a question that has Theists running, but we sometimes underestimate their reliance on ad hoc, ergo propter hoc.

(December 7, 2013 at 9:32 am)Rational AKD Wrote:

(December 6, 2013 at 4:27 pm)daandaan Wrote: IF GODS ETERNAL , WHO CREATED ETERNITY FOR HIM TO BE ETERNAL ??

...you've got to be kidding right? just when I think there can't possibly be a stupider argument i'm proven wrong... well, i'll at least try to give a somewhat serious answer.

you do know that properties or states aren't created right? they are a part of entities. they can't be separated into their own essence, or else they would be an entity. so to answer your question; no one had to create eternity for God to be eternal. God can simply have that as his own property, or state of existence.

Then I'll have what He's having .. unless there is a requirement that anything actually be shown to have that trait. Then me and my pal God are screwed.

I dunno. Isn't this similar to light? It exists within time because we can observe its movement through space over time. It exists without time because photons do not age. This is my naive untrained understanding. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

(December 3, 2013 at 9:50 am)FreeTony Wrote: "God is timeless" is something Christians spout all the time. Along with "God is both inside and outside time"

What does it even mean? Whenever I've asked for clarification none is given, they just expect you to accept this with no explanation. I'm coming at this with a background in physics.

Time is very difficult to understand and as far as I'm aware no one really does, though plenty of work is being done to establish it. It could well be that time is just an illusion.

I just don't understand what they can possibly mean. Anyone clear it up, or am I thinking about it in too much depth and it's just pseudo-scientific garbage with no meaning at all?

A dot is the shadow of a line (1D). A line is the shadow of a plane (2D). Your shadow is the 2D shadow cast by your 3D body. It follows you around by perspective to the light and your position according to the light. Light reveals what it hits. Above space, we have time. Space is the shadow of time. We experience the shadow of time only, but we can presuppose that time has two other sides at orthogonal angles from the fifth dimensional space, which is really what you are experiencing. This is known as the probability space. It is all outcomes that are possible according to law (6D). When you make a choice, you collapse the indeterminate wave function of light into a determined choice. When you do, law governs the choice and sends the choice (will) as a shadow into time. Time then casts the 3D world as its shadow. 3D then casts a 2D shadow and 1D casts the dot. Zoom in on the dot and you have yet another universe.

God is above as the governor, yet he can see us below just as we see a 2D Flatland below our dimension. When you watch a movie, it is the same. The mechanism is needed to produce information (Word) into form. Light is the prime mechanism for collapsing wave function.

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.
See these threads:

Aleph Bet is Father. Letters write the Word.

Amen in Hebrew

Nice mental gymnastics; you win a gold medal. That medal doesn't mean anything in the real world though because presupposing such a god as described above is always your first step in your explanation.

StrongWaters Wrote:Stuff not worth repeating <<--- MY WORDS HERE

Dafuq? Sounds like some Oprah garbage, only worse.

(December 7, 2013 at 8:35 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote: Nice mental gymnastics; you win a gold medal. That medal doesn't mean anything in the real world though because presupposing such a god as described above is always your first step in your explanation.

Word is information and there is no collapsing wave function apart from the observer. Here is your simple proof of the designer: Aleph Bet

Yes. Proof. Not simply evidence. It's the highest axiom.

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(December 7, 2013 at 8:38 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote:

StrongWaters Wrote:Stuff not worth repeating <<--- MY WORDS HERE

Dafuq? Sounds like some Oprah garbage, only worse.

Quantum Mechanics only needs the correct parable to be seen correctly. The Bible holds the highest axiom. Apart from this, I only needed one verse to back the science. The Nobel Laureates agree with me.

The universe is digital, not analog. Argue with them.

(December 7, 2013 at 8:13 pm)StrongWaters Wrote: See these threads:

That's nothing, check out these threads: