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RE: Atheists condone and condemn rape
December 8, 2013 at 12:32 pm
(December 8, 2013 at 12:25 pm)Sleepy Wrote: from the atheist evolutionary perspective
Women are physically weaker than men. A man can rape multiple women and have multiple children
And "fittest," isn't a matter of strength alone. That's the second time you've lied about this, and believe me, I'll be counting as we go and holding you accountable for each and every one of them.
Quote:The individual who said it's not as beneficial to humanity than is living with morals is correct. But even from the theist evolutionary perspective we are all competing with each other as well as to help each other.
And the human that's alone dies faster than the one that's supported by a group, so those that go out of their way to alienate people by being unsociable isn't able to compete as well as those that don't.
Quote:We care about ourselves not for the well being of others and want to reproduce, the well being of "society( formed by theists) " is not important as me first. Me me me.
Sleepy, you're not qualified to make judgments about what everyone else thinks, only what you think. The fact that you espoused this view personally is very telling of how you view the world, and who the real immoral one here is.
Quote:The fact that such ideas of relativity even exist makes atheist illogical. What's more illogical is the atheists saying it's "wrong" because they're contradicting their entire foundation of being.
And what qualifies you to speak on the foundation of an atheist's being?
Quote:"a society that doesn't rape works better than a society that does."
That's true and obvious though relativism of atheists suggests different as well.
Think about it.
What the fuck does this even mean? You've just said "that's true, but atheism, and so no, I'm right still."
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RE: Atheists condone and condemn rape
December 8, 2013 at 12:33 pm
(December 8, 2013 at 12:30 pm)NoraBrimstone Wrote: That's a silly question to put to someone who's already expressed intent to rape even without being told to. lol
You may be right; he just changes the name from rape to something else.
In which case, I'm not going to murder someone; Yes, their homeostasis is going to stop because of me, I'm just not calling it murder.
I'm also not going to steal from someone. Yes, I'm going to take their property against their will, but I'm not calling it stealing.
Wow. Ethics gets so easy when you can justify a negative act simply by changing what you call it.
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RE: Atheists condone and condemn rape
December 8, 2013 at 12:34 pm
(December 8, 2013 at 12:29 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: It's quite simple. Just because I think there are no objective morals that does not make me bound to let rapists rape. I can stop them if I want. Why? Because I want to.
You can stop them if you want which you should. But you can't go to the point of calling it 'wrong'
You can also punish somebody for doing it which would be out of character for a relativist atheist and more in character with a Muslim whose religion forbids it and says it wrong. You can never seem it wrong or right though just as you can't deem a doctor saving somebody's life as right or good because it's relative.
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RE: Atheists condone and condemn rape
December 8, 2013 at 12:35 pm
(December 8, 2013 at 12:30 pm)Sleepy Wrote: (December 8, 2013 at 12:22 pm)NoraBrimstone Wrote: I think we've made it pretty clear that morals don't come from religion. Since we, the atheists, are the ones arguing against rape? Dummy.
Actually you're not because you're atheistic relativity says rape is also ok.
You believe it's "wrong" though wrong an right is relative to you all.
You're making yourself sound foolish and you know this. You know your logic system is not flawed and you need to abandon it.
And why you getting mad about you not being my type. It's not a personal attack on you What.... the fuck. Are you talking about? lol You've lost it mate.
Speaking of your type. I'm getting you this for your birthday. She can't say no.
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RE: Atheists condone and condemn rape
December 8, 2013 at 12:35 pm
(December 8, 2013 at 11:56 am)Sleepy Wrote: Why is rape bad?
Atheists response " because it is!!"
Liar, again
(December 8, 2013 at 11:56 am)Sleepy Wrote: Muslim response- it's a heinous crime and the punishment is death.
Atheists- heinous is a relative term though. It's a dominant specimen exerting powe over a weaker specimen to spread his genes and benefit himself
Liar, again again, unless you can come up with an atheist quoting that
(December 8, 2013 at 11:56 am)Sleepy Wrote: Lol that's an atheist response. That's what happens when you live in a world of moral relativity. It's nonsense.
Killing is relative, theft is relative, everything is relative within the unfortunate and demented atheist thinking. The other side could always be argued no matter how 'bad' it is
I have explained to you that all atheism is, is the disbelief in a god. Nothing more than that, why can you not understand this?
Killing is relative? Would you shoot someone who was about to stab your mother?
Theft is relative? Would you steal some food if you or your family were starving?
How about next time, you think before you type.
(December 8, 2013 at 11:56 am)Sleepy Wrote: Atheist thinking
Maybe this relativity is BS. How can I believe something is bad when 'bad' is relative. There's nobody to decide what bad is!!!
Wrong again. I think the golden rule is a good start to decide what bad is. admittedly it has its flaws, e.g. a masochist using it.
I have already explained to you about bad things and such but you seemed to have ignored it. Fancy that!
(December 8, 2013 at 11:56 am)Sleepy Wrote: Atheist thinking.
That actually does make sense because they've most likely had sex before, knew they are going to have sex when they got married and it is wrong for any person to force to have sex but it's not rape in the way it's commonly used.
The punishment for forcin your spouse to have sex is not on the level of a random individual
committing rape.
This is common sense and seen in English Law as well
No, we have established that it is not seen in English law. You are lying for at least the third time in this post.
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RE: Atheists condone and condemn rape
December 8, 2013 at 12:37 pm
(December 8, 2013 at 12:35 pm)NoraBrimstone Wrote: Speaking of your type. I'm getting you this for your birthday. She can't say no.
Somehow, I think she still would.
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RE: Atheists condone and condemn rape
December 8, 2013 at 12:38 pm
"a society that doesn't rape works better than a society that does."
That's true and obvious though relativism of atheists suggests different as well.
Think about it.
"What the fuck does this even mean? You've just said "that's true, but atheism, and so no, I'm right still."
A society that doesn't rape is better than a society that does though from an atheist perspective a society that does rape is in line with evolution as well as being 'good' because to relative. An atheist can consider Rape good. While a Muslim can never do so
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RE: Atheists condone and condemn rape
December 8, 2013 at 12:39 pm
(December 8, 2013 at 12:08 pm)Sleepy Wrote: And what's wrong with 'harming another person'? You're asserting your dominance and animals harm and kill each other all the time Animals kill each other all the time because they need to, to survive. You really have no idea what you are talking about. Harming another person, is not advantageous for anyone.
(December 8, 2013 at 12:08 pm)Sleepy Wrote: You're spinning in circles. By claiming its wrong you're contradicting the relativism
You adhere to And as I have said before, being an atheist has nothing to do with relativism
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RE: Atheists condone and condemn rape
December 8, 2013 at 12:40 pm
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Marital rape exemptions in this country were adopted from the English common law exemption, first articulated in 1736 by English Chief Justice Matthew Hale in History of the Pleas of Crown: :"[T]he husband cannot be guilty of a rape committed by himself upon his lawful wife, for by their mutual matrimonial consent and contract the wife hath given up herself in this kind unto her husband which she cannot retract.... [I]n marriage she hath given up her body to her husband ... "
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RE: Atheists condone and condemn rape
December 8, 2013 at 12:43 pm
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(December 8, 2013 at 12:38 pm)Sleepy Wrote: "a society that doesn't rape works better than a society that does."
That's true and obvious though relativism of atheists suggests different as well.
Think about it.
"What the fuck does this even mean? You've just said "that's true, but atheism, and so no, I'm right still."
A society that doesn't rape is better than a society that does though from an atheist perspective a society that does rape is in line with evolution as well as being 'good' because to relative. An atheist can consider Rape good. While a Muslim can never do so No dude. You don't fucking get it. The only person in the whole 15 pages on this thread so far who considers rape to be good is YOU!
Or is this you subtly telling us you're not really a Muslim, and we're all missing your hidden message?
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