Years ago as I recall the theory of Moses was that he was probably based on a real historical figure and that he was a follower of Akhenaten who followed the one true God Aten, rejecting all the other Egyptian Gods. This appears to have fallen out of favour more recently but I haven't kept up with the historical developments.

I've even seen theories that Moses was Akhenaten but that appears to be a newer strand I haven't investigated at all.

If Moses was a follower then once Akhenaten died and Egypt returned to the old pantheon of Gods its not such a stretch that he went on the run with a small band of followers. There is, however, nothing to tie these people to the family and friends of Joseph.

The lack of any evidence for the Exodus as described in the Bible has become one of my favorite anti-bullshit weapons.

http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.co...jesus.html

(December 9, 2013 at 7:42 pm)JesusHChrist Wrote: Nope. It's a bunch of hooey:

Quote:Exodus is now accepted by scholars as having been compiled in the 8th–7th centuries BCE from stories dating possibly as far back as the 13th century BCE, with further polishing in the 6th–5th centuries BCE,

So they did try to polish it...

Polish makes perfect.

Quote:Give me one example of how Israel is an apartheid state.

Quote:4. Judicial Practice: Equal Protection Cases

The Israeli courts – guided by the Supreme Court – have consistently decided that discrimination between Arabs and Jews is legitimate based on the founding principles of Israel as a state for the Jewish people; “nationality” is considered a legitimate basis for discrimination.

In the State of Israel vs. Ashgoyev (1988), an Israeli settler was convicted by the Tel Aviv District Court of shooting a Palestinian child. The judge sentenced him to a suspended jail term of six months and community service. When challenged by critics, the trial judge, Uri Shtruzman, said: “It is wrong to demand in the name of equality, equal bearing and equal sentences to two offenders who have different nationalities who break the laws of the State. The sentence that deters the one and his audience, does not deter the other and his community.”

http://www.ceia-sc.org/page55/page112/pa....laws.html

How's that?

(December 11, 2013 at 12:28 pm)max-greece Wrote: Years ago as I recall the theory of Moses was that he was probably based on a real historical figure and that he was a follower of Akhenaten who followed the one true God Aten, rejecting all the other Egyptian Gods. This appears to have fallen out of favour more recently but I haven't kept up with the historical developments.

My mom thinks that Akhenaten trying to get Egypt to go monotheistic is evidence for the Christian god.

I've never heard the Moses addition to that idea before, though. Here's to hoping she never does either.

(December 9, 2013 at 7:11 pm)I and I Wrote: Is their any evidence that these ever happened/existed?

An actual mass exodus from Egypt and then the eventual supposed kingdom. Has their ever been any large Jewish population in the biblical time period?

I say no to all if the above.

Well, I don't think the Jews just popped out of nowhere. As for the exodus, I'm not sure, but I'm fairly certain that some "Israelite" kingdom existed in modern-day Israel. Evidence is, that there also was a Roman province with the name of Judea, suggesting that a concentraded Jewish presence existed in the region.

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(December 11, 2013 at 8:49 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote:

(December 11, 2013 at 12:28 pm)max-greece Wrote: Years ago as I recall the theory of Moses was that he was probably based on a real historical figure and that he was a follower of Akhenaten who followed the one true God Aten, rejecting all the other Egyptian Gods. This appears to have fallen out of favour more recently but I haven't kept up with the historical developments.

My mom thinks that Akhenaten trying to get Egypt to go monotheistic is evidence for the Christian god.

I've never heard the Moses addition to that idea before, though. Here's to hoping she never does either.

After the death of Akenathen, his religion and faith system were destroyed, the priesthood scattered, and the idols of aten, smashed to the ground. Even his face was scarred and obscured in his grave.
I don't think that anyone would dare to follow that guy, let alone write a book about him.

Quote:Well, I don't think the Jews just popped out of nowhere.

The "jews" as a matter of fact popped up out of Persian nomenclature when they renamed the region Yehud.

Current archaeological theory is that towards the end of the Late Bronze Age (as laid out by Israel Finkelstein in his Archaeology of the Israelite Settlement, 1988) is that nomadic tribes living in the eastern reaches of Canaan were forced to settle down and begin growing their own grain in the Eastern Hill region because their coastal trading partners were overrun by the Sea Peoples. His colleague, and sometimes opponent, William Dever agrees on the location but argues that refugees from the aforementioned overrun agricultural centers were deeply involved in bringing the necessary knowledge of farming to the newly settled nomads. Actually, there is no reason why both positions cannot be true. One farmer with knowledge can teach many others how to farm. Dever will use the phrase "proto-Israelite" to describe these people but Finkelstein will not go that far. It doesn't matter because the growth of these villages has been charted and they grew into the states of Israel, Judah, Edom and Moab over the course of the following few centuries.

So, no. They did not pop into existence but they did originate among the indigenous population of the Eastern Hill Region of Canaan. And they were never slaves in Egypt.

(December 9, 2013 at 7:11 pm)I and I Wrote: Is their any evidence that these ever happened/existed?

An actual mass exodus from Egypt and then the eventual supposed kingdom. Has their ever been any large Jewish population in the biblical time period?

I say no to all if the above.

Duh! the Bible.

The bible says lots of stupid shit, Chad.