(December 15, 2013 at 11:01 pm)insider432 Wrote: so basicly you are saying that complex patterns like that can arise by pure chance? How does the flow of energy know how to behave correctly? It must be either intelligent itself OR its being governed by some sort of intelligence. Dude this stuff just cannot happen by pure chance.

That is about as terrible an argument as I can imagine. Show me concrete proof of the intelligent being who made it all happen and then I'll consider agreeing with you. I have no use for an argument from incredulity. You've demonstrated that patterns are apparent in nature. You have not even come close to proving that there is deliberate intent behind that.

(December 15, 2013 at 11:05 pm)Esquilax Wrote:

(December 15, 2013 at 11:01 pm)insider432 Wrote: so basicly you are saying that complex patterns like that can arise by pure chance?

Well, given that you aren't limiting your scope at all, when your boundary for finding those patterns is something as large as "the universe," then of course you're going to find commonalities in disparate points, because the universe is literally the totality of everything we've ever known!

Quote:How does the flow of energy know how to behave correctly? It must be either intelligent itself OR its being governed by some sort of intelligence. Dude this stuff just cannot happen by pure chance.

Baseless assertion= immediate dismissal. No.

yea i agree...you atheists are certainly proffessionals when it comes to "immediate dismissals" without giving it any thought, let alone research or study i know...

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(December 15, 2013 at 11:10 pm)Cinjin Wrote:

(December 15, 2013 at 9:34 pm)insider432 Wrote: So what do you think this is? You going to label it coincidence? because everything in my initial post in undebunkable, all of it. So what is it in your opinion? Just weird coincidences? Really? Thats it and you'll forget about it just like that? It doesnt make you wanna dig deeper and do some research to see if there is something to it or not? you just going to dismiss it and pretend its not there? you seriously think there's nothing to it?

Yeah uh, just because someone says something is so, doesn't actually make it so.
The words that come out of your mouth are no more important than the poop that comes out the butt of a fly. Just because you say that something is "undebunkable," doesn't make it remotely true.


Who the FUCK are you? Nobody ... just some lunatic who likes numeric patterns a little too much and probably has an unhealthy love of jesus and his merry band of men.

of course, always the same with you atheists...you guys just love to attack people on a personal level and make fun of them i get it...but that should tell you something about your psyche...which seems to be tainted...

Actually, I'll have to admit, there's a reason I don't much address the numerology directly. Fact is, I'm kinda struggling with math. I'm more of a science person, especially biological science. Math is very useful in science, no doubt, but you can still get quite a bit about science without too much math. See, math is a tool. It's a very useful tool, no doubt, but it's still a tool. It's a very useful tool to help understand and find answers in biology and engineerig and physics, but the math by itself doesn't really do all that much.

And your numerology, it seems to me that you have the tool; it may have a few flaws here and there, but you have the tool. Thing is, you aren't doing anything with it. You're finding all these numerological patterns and saying that, because you found them, the Bible is true. It's really poor logic on so many levels.

So, tell me, how do these numerological patterns explain the fact that there is WAY too much genetic diversity in the world for the entire worlds population to come from just two people (not to mention, there's the same problem with every other animal on earth)? How does your number crunching explain why there are so many animals that would literally die if they couldn't eat meat and, yet, we're expected to believe that they didn't eat meat before Adam and Eve sinned? I'm sure you can use numerology to explain why we can even see stars and galaxies that are millions of light years away, right?

So, until you can get some of those answers, you haven't proven anything that really needs to be debunked. Yes, you find some nice little patterns. That's nice. Here's a cookie; go into a corner and eat it and leave us alone.

(December 15, 2013 at 11:10 pm)Brakeman Wrote:

(December 15, 2013 at 10:53 pm)insider432 Wrote: In other words you cannot create a terahedron with base 6. And as presented earlier single molecules are shaped like a terahedron:

no it doesnt work...polarity is missing and its all messed up...whatever

You can't create a tetrahedron with base six?? Ha Ha Ha HA HA!

You so funny! I guess in your base six world you can only count to five?

I wonder how a binary computer manages to make one??? Oh the mysteries of upper fifth grade math!

Polarity!! Woo hoo!! You don't even know what you are talking about..Not even a clue..

Im pretty sure its YOU who doesnt quiet understand my initial post...but whatever...

(December 15, 2013 at 11:16 pm)insider432 Wrote:

(December 15, 2013 at 11:10 pm)Brakeman Wrote: You can't create a tetrahedron with base six?? Ha Ha Ha HA HA!

You so funny! I guess in your base six world you can only count to five?

I wonder how a binary computer manages to make one??? Oh the mysteries of upper fifth grade math!

Polarity!! Woo hoo!! You don't even know what you are talking about..Not even a clue..

Im pretty sure its YOU who doesnt quiet understand my initial post...but whatever...

No, it's YOU. But whatever.

(how childish is this going to get?)

(December 15, 2013 at 11:12 pm)insider432 Wrote: yea i agree...you atheists are certainly proffessionals when it comes to "immediate dismissals" without giving it any thought, let alone research or study i know...

Given that your entire argument there boiled down to "it just has to be designed," what the fuck did you want me to respond to? Don't go chastising us for a lack of thought and research when what you presented was a single sentence that accounted to nothing more than a childish demand that we see things your way.

(December 15, 2013 at 11:19 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: (how childish is this going to get?)

Let's find out! Quick! Call him a doodie-head and make rude comments about his mothers' vagina!

(December 15, 2013 at 11:16 pm)insider432 Wrote:

(December 15, 2013 at 11:10 pm)Brakeman Wrote: You can't create a tetrahedron with base six?? Ha Ha Ha HA HA!

You so funny! I guess in your base six world you can only count to five?

I wonder how a binary computer manages to make one??? Oh the mysteries of upper fifth grade math!

Polarity!! Woo hoo!! You don't even know what you are talking about..Not even a clue..

Im pretty sure its YOU who doesnt quiet understand my initial post...but whatever...

So you proved the existence of a "God" with science........... did you win an award or something? maybe get a couple of seconds on the news?

I get it, you were just letting US know. Sorta runnin it by us on your way to pick up your multitude of awards, what channel you gonna be on so I can watch the ceremony.

Is "God" gonna be there to? He is maybe going to part the clouds and give a speech that can be paraphrased with "yeah, you got me"

(December 15, 2013 at 11:12 pm)Ryantology Wrote:

(December 15, 2013 at 11:01 pm)insider432 Wrote: so basicly you are saying that complex patterns like that can arise by pure chance? How does the flow of energy know how to behave correctly? It must be either intelligent itself OR its being governed by some sort of intelligence. Dude this stuff just cannot happen by pure chance.

That is about as terrible an argument as I can imagine. Show me concrete proof of the intelligent being who made it all happen and then I'll consider agreeing with you. I have no use for an argument from incredulity. You've demonstrated that patterns are apparent in nature. You have not even come close to proving that there is deliberate intent behind that.

not patterns but pattern (singular) yea well that should be out of question, its plain logical that a complex pattern like that (9 code) that emcompassess everything from sub atomic vibration to space and time etc cannot be the result of pure chance. And then we have all these other giant objects, distances, astrological movements and even ancient texts and ancient megalithic structures all pointing to the 9 code. I mean ok if thats not reason enougn to look further into it for you then so be it, for me it is definitely a reason to look into this stuff.

Adding some numbers does not prove god or creation!

WTF!