Most religions are about how people are sinners, and my version is the only way for salvation.

Quote:If Muhammad really heard voice, that is not proved it was voice of God or God's Angel!

These days we shoot such people up with heavy duty medications and lock them up in a padded cell for a while.

I doubt that "muhammad" is any more real than jesus, moses, osiris or zeus.

More likely all of this shit was invented by con artists seeking to control primitive people.

(December 26, 2013 at 12:35 pm)Minimalist Wrote: I doubt that "muhammad" is any more real than jesus, moses, osiris or zeus.

More likely all of this shit was invented by con artists seeking to control primitive people.

I love Jesus because i think he was a reformer who wanted to remove savagery from Judaism . (Judaism like Islam is full of savagery)
I think after he dead his followers created the Christian religion,mixed with superstition!
by the why , If Christian is a flower, Islam is a piece of shit! this is the different between Christian and Islam. But if Christian is a flower, Humanism and Human rights are all flowers of Garden.

(December 26, 2013 at 12:48 pm)A-g-n-o-s-t-i-c Wrote:

(December 26, 2013 at 12:35 pm)Minimalist Wrote: I doubt that "muhammad" is any more real than jesus, moses, osiris or zeus.

More likely all of this shit was invented by con artists seeking to control primitive people.

I love Jesus because i think he was a reformer who wanted to remove savagery from Judaism . (Judaism like Islam is full of savagery)
I think after he dead his followers created the Christian religion,mixed with superstition!
by the why , If Christian is a flower, Islam is a piece of shit! this is the different between Christian and Islam. But if Christian is a flower, Humanism and Human rights are all flowers of Garden.

xtianity is just like any other religion. What is practiced is not what is written, and have you seen the xtians throughout history? Witch burning and now anti gay and anti abortion not to mention anti science. They have no concept of human rights, that's why they require jesus to come here and save us to give us value and worth. Human rights is about believing that human dignity (which is within all) is deserving of certain rights. In xtianity being human is not enough, you have to be xtian as well, otherwise you rot in hell.

I quite agree with your sentiments about Islam. It's not uncommon for exmuslims to think that xtianity is a nice and softer version of religion. It isn't really, it's just the religion that doesn't have an army behind it anymore, that's why it has compromised so much to common sense.

(December 26, 2013 at 12:48 pm)A-g-n-o-s-t-i-c Wrote: I love Jesus because i think he was a reformer who wanted to remove savagery from Judaism .

No, no, no, Jesus said in the gospel of Matthew 5:17:

"Think not that I am come to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill."

He wasn't there to reform anything, but to fulfill. He nailed the commandments to the cross. He then says in Matthew 5:20:

"For I say unto you that unless your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the Kingdom of Heaven."

There is no heaven for YOU unless you're better than the JEW. What did he reform, he reformed nothing, at least he doesn't admit to it. Islam makes it an article of faith to believe that Jesus was Wa' Razul Allah and Qur'an doesn't accept reformers, as it is mentioned in Surat Al-Baqarah 2:11 which says:

"And when it is said to them, "Do not cause corruption on the earth," they say, "We are but reformers."

Reformers are not accepted in Islam and yet Jesus is Wa' Razul Allah in Islam and his word is not lesser than that of Muhammed, for, the Qur'an mentions that all prophets of Allah pass on the word of Allah and the word of Allah is equal in weight, so no prophet is superior to another, as it is mentioned in Surat 'Āli `Imrān 3:84 which says:

"Say, "We have believed in Allah and in what was revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Descendants, and in what was given to Moses and Jesus and to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [submitting] to Him."

Jesus reformed nothing. Not a single word from the commandments.

Quote:I love Jesus because i think he was a reformer who wanted to remove savagery from Judaism

Think what you like....just keep your barbaric religion out of our laws and classrooms.

(December 26, 2013 at 1:49 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:I love Jesus because i think he was a reformer who wanted to remove savagery from Judaism

Think what you like....just keep your barbaric religion out of our laws and classrooms.

Christians love Jesus because they think he's God while Jesus clearly stated that he wasn't, and our Iranian brother loves Jesus because he reformed, while Jesus clearly stated that he reformed nothing.

Wtf is going on with this Jesus guy?! People seem to love him for all the wrong reasons, for stuff he never claimed to be or do. Mystery lol. Another day one might come say he loves Jesus for being non-violent, then I quote the gospel of Luke and the person gets mad! LOL