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RE: AF Hall of Shame (Post Edition)
December 30, 2013 at 1:45 pm
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(December 30, 2013 at 1:30 pm)LastPoet Wrote: (December 30, 2013 at 12:04 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: What the %#@! are you talking about?
I'd expect more from a mod. Jacob didn't do anything wrong, and you call his highly legitimate concerns 'whining'.
What I'm talking about is Jacob's last post blowing this whole drama out of proportion, when the staff is truly and most seriously trying to sort things out. Sorry that my opinion as a member came as rash.
The last thing that Jacob has done, is blow anYthing out of proportion. If I were him I would've freaked the fuck out and closed everything associated with that email immediately. Then requested everything in this forum be redacted. He is fully within his right to be upset about this, and has been more than reasonable. And to be frank, your post --seeing as how you're a mod and spoke from an 'insider's POV--seemed like the official opinion on the matter (since there's been a lack of official presence saying otherwise).
Furthermore, had that been the response I'd gotten, I would've posted a farewell to all, too.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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RE: AF Hall of Shame (Post Edition)
December 30, 2013 at 1:51 pm
It appears that my departure is appropriately timed. This place is a joke. Goodbye AF.
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RE: AF Hall of Shame (Post Edition)
December 30, 2013 at 1:54 pm
(December 30, 2013 at 1:51 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote: It appears that my departure is appropriately timed. This place is a joke. Goodbye AF.
All right this is getting too over the top now.
At the risk of sounding like an ass, may I suggest everyone just chill their beans.
As has been said, the staff are discussing it. For the record no one on the staff thinks Rayaan's actions were appropriate and in my personal opinion I think the whole situation could have been handled a lot better.
I don't want to see anybody here leave. Least of all over something like this. Please guys, I know some of you are lacking in trust with the staff right now, but please trust it is not our intention to force anyone to leave these forums. It's certainly not mine.
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RE: AF Hall of Shame (Post Edition)
December 30, 2013 at 1:59 pm
(December 30, 2013 at 1:54 pm)Napoléon Wrote: (December 30, 2013 at 1:51 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote: It appears that my departure is appropriately timed. This place is a joke. Goodbye AF.
All right this is getting too over the top now.
I don't want to see anybody here leave. Least of all over something like this. My departure is due primarily to the immaturity of certain members and their cohorts, as I need not expose myself to unstable and abusive people. This matter with the staff is just the exclamation point on my farewell, and only serves as confirmation that the timing is right.
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RE: AF Hall of Shame (Post Edition)
December 30, 2013 at 2:00 pm
to be fair I think fff is upset about being called a dick.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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RE: AF Hall of Shame (Post Edition)
December 30, 2013 at 2:02 pm
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(December 30, 2013 at 1:37 pm)whateverist Wrote: (...)Poet's words stink. I can't put you on ignore but you two are dead to me. Fuck you both.
I'm sorry you think that way, I'll still retain my respect for you. I can have my opinion as a member. I knew it was an error to comment on this.
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RE: AF Hall of Shame (Post Edition)
December 30, 2013 at 2:02 pm
(December 30, 2013 at 2:00 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: to be fair I think fff is upset about being called a dick. Upset, no. Disgusted, yes.
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RE: AF Hall of Shame (Post Edition)
December 30, 2013 at 2:03 pm
I haven't said as much as I wanted to say on this subject because I tend to avoid drama in general. But it seems all this started because Jacob calls himself a christian but barely acts like the type of christian we're used to seeing, which leads to suspicion. And earlier in this thread itself, rayaan himself admitted to using jacob's email to find his name and track him and that "that was only the beginning" and also that he stalks people when he's bored. From the PMs Rayaan does seem to be speaking as if a decision has been made and that his behaviour was totally fine and routine in the maintenance of this forum. And then now people are shocked that Jacob has left and is "blowing things out of proportion"? Really? It's rather fucking ironic that this only happened because he identified as a theist and then got discriminated by another theist, on an atheist forum. For all of you who seem to not have gotten out much, there are plenty of people who have lost their faith but prefer to identify as christians and muslims while practising only the parts that they like to practice. It's not that uncommon, it's called cognitive dissonance and we all do it, we just don't happen to do it in our religious views. And that comment that "you didn't fool me" I don't even know what the hell. Fool you what? Your money? Your time? There's always a chance that the person you're interacting with on the internet isn't who they say they are, that's pretty fucking obvious it doesn't mean you get to use information to track them down to satisfy your curiosity. It's one thing to use information he has willingly revealed to the public, it's quite another to use his email and IP address and god knows what else. Regardless if the information could've been found either way.
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RE: AF Hall of Shame (Post Edition)
December 30, 2013 at 2:08 pm
(December 30, 2013 at 1:10 pm)rasetsu Wrote: (December 30, 2013 at 1:08 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: One other thing I'd like to mention, about this whole Jacob not being what he seemed to be thing. When I first seen his posts and seen red letter Christian I opted to Google it be cause id never heard of it before. What I uncovered was a Thomas Jefferson type veiw of Jesus that seemed to fit well with what Jacob expressed.
You googled the information in his profile?! You cad!!
To be clear I googled "red letter Christian."
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: AF Hall of Shame (Post Edition)
December 30, 2013 at 2:15 pm
(December 30, 2013 at 2:02 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote: (December 30, 2013 at 2:00 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: to be fair I think fff is upset about being called a dick. Upset, no. Disgusted, yes.
Well I didn't call you a dick. I said it was a dick thing to say. Because it was. I've since messaged you and posted in that forum and all you have done is thrown a hussy fit in this thread, which has enough drama atm. Your drama is what you make of it. You coulda just accepted reprimand from fellows for your behaviour--we even tried to hold n olive branch up to you-- but here we are. I don't hate you, I was merely identifying your immature behaviour. If you wish to talk about it some more, go to that thread.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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