(January 1, 2014 at 11:02 am)Godschild Wrote: @ StoryBook, I see you gave a kudos to a young kid who has no idea what being a Christian is all about, a kid who cares not to find truth, he's only interested in ridiculing Christians. If this is all you care about then why were we even having a conversation, by you not responding to my last post and letting someone else speak for you I take it your purpose is no different than his.

GC

Quote:@StoryBook, I see you gave a kudos to someone whom I know nothing about save that he's an atheist who might just know everything about what being a Christian is but finds it laughably lacking, who was interjecting genuine answers and questions to which I decided not to reply and instead gave a sanctimonious unaimed post to you. If you dare to give someone else a nod for speaking their mind on a public forum then why are we having this conversation? By you not immediately responding to my last post and acknowledging someone who interjected I'm going to act like a whiny bitch.

GC

Fixed that for you. If you would bother to look at my post I wasn't ridiculing anyone but your god for seeming to be close minded. If you would take a scary step outside of your pet worldview and consider the options you might just see that as well. In a series of infinite possibilities your god chose to make himself human and martyr himself. If that's not bloodthirsty close minded thinking I don't know what is.

"The bible is the claim not the proof?" That's the dumbest thing I've heard in a while. The Holy Scriptures can serve as evidence. The only question is for what are they evidence. That's like saying the Doppler effect is the claim not the proof. Repeating ignorant aphorisms just makes you sound even more ignorant.

(January 1, 2014 at 12:47 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: "The bible is the claim not the proof?" That's the dumbest thing I've heard in a while. The Holy Scriptures can serve as evidence. The only question is for what are they evidence. That's like saying the Doppler effect is the claim not the proof. Repeating ignorant aphorisms just makes you sound even more ignorant.

You Christians see your bible as evidence but the rest of the world does not. You claim it is the holy word of god, great happy for you, care to present me with the evidence that it is? Then we'll talk.

(January 1, 2014 at 12:51 pm)Aral Gamelon Wrote:

(January 1, 2014 at 12:47 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: "The bible is the claim not the proof?" That's the dumbest thing I've heard in a while. The Holy Scriptures can serve as evidence. The only question is for what are they evidence. That's like saying the Doppler effect is the claim not the proof. Repeating ignorant aphorisms just makes you sound even more ignorant.

You Christians see your bible as evidence but the rest of the world does not. You claim it is the holy word of god, great happy for you, care to present me with the evidence that it is? Then we'll talk.

Evidence was brought that the Bible was not the word of God due to scientifical errors. This is based on the assumption that an all knowing creator can't be wrong. If you create the Earth in 4 Billion years (shame on fucking you for taking so long) you cannot lie then and say you did it in 6 days! If you do that you're not God you're a lying Jewish jerk-off who wrote God's words with his own hands.

Godschild Wrote:@ StoryBook, I see you gave a kudos to a young kid who has no idea what being a Christian is all about, a kid who cares not to find truth, he's only interested in ridiculing Christians. If this is all you care about then why were we even having a conversation, by you not responding to my last post and letting someone else speak for you I take it your purpose is no different than his.

SB Wrote:Sorry to hurt your feelings,I just didn't have enough time to reply. I was just looking at the new post real quick...

You didn't hurt my feelings, I've lived to many years to let the little things bother me. I was disappointed because I thought you might have bailed on our conversation. So I'm sorry I jumped to that conclusion.

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(December 31, 2013 at 7:04 am)Godschild Wrote:

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I have nothing to fear, the God of creation is by my side, watching over me continually. I have a personal relationship with God and through this relationship God has revealed Himself to me, you see no matter what others think or want to believe I know for a fact God is real. As for the other gods they have never approached me, let lone prove themselves to me.

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SB Wrote:How did he reveal himself to you?(and saying from the book does not count). You see when I was really little I pretended god would talk to me, but nothing I "prayed" for happened. Then I grew out of the imaginary friend stage. All my 22 years of life god never revealed himself to me.

GC Wrote:Wait a minute here, you're saying I can't use part of how God communicates with people, you really believe that's fair? What if I said you had to prove nuclear fusion to me but you could not use any text, kind of unfair wouldn't you say. God's conviction was through His word, through reading the scriptures God started working with me. I found myself seeing that I was in need of forgiveness of my sin and eventually committed myself to Jesus. This started my road to a relationship with God, as I grew in the relationship God continually showed me who He is, this came through experiencing the things God promises and through answered prayer and ect.
Pretending God talked to you is not being realistic and of coarse that's not unusual little kids and because of this your prayers were not sincere, so no answers. What were you praying for. Your first prayers should be asking God to reveal Himself to you and help you to see through His eyes. You think that just maybe you haven't been trying to hear God, and have you been asking God to reveal Himself to you, are you or have you ever seriously wanted to know God.

SB Wrote:You can't use the book as an excuse for proof. That book is mistranslated. It all also been "revised" and their are many different versions of that one book. Then people changed it/misinterpret it to make it fit their views. Its used to scare people and make them think that someone is in control or their lives. It was written long before people figured out science, how the weather works, and that we are made of cells. There are lots of other gods and goddesses, and they where made because people had no other idea on why the weather change.

I use the Bible to find the truth, much proof lies within the scriptures and then they also lead to truths that are in everyday life. I never use the Bible as an excuse for anything, it is what it is, God's revelation to man of His will for those who choose to accept it. It's not meant to scare anyone, those who use it that way are not being honest about God and His love for man.
Now I'm going to ask you to prove to me your statements that the Bible has been mistranslated and revised. There is only one version of the Bible, it has been translated into more modern English so it's easier to understand than the Old English no one speaks now. We've also learned more about the ancient languages over the years so we are better able to translate the Bible and gather the meanings from it God intended. We also find older manuscripts that give us insight into the ancient writings. These are some reasons you see the Bible updated from time to time. The Book of Isaiah was found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, it is the oldest copy ever found, it is virtually word for word the same as later copies and up to the modern translation of today's Bible. People are not trying to translate the Bible into what they want people so see, you've been feed a bunch of bull about mistranslated scripture, there are to many eyes on the old manuscripts to misrepresent them.
It's strange you would use the science of weather to say the Bible is not accurate about the cause of weather. Did you know that the Bible taught the evaporation of the oceans as what cause most of the rain on earth, probably a thousand years before science was able to prove that was the case. The Bible is also considered by many Christian and non- Christians as one of the most accurate time lines for history. Di you know that the Egyptians math system improved greatly after Abraham lived there, curious wouldn't you say.

SB Wrote:oh and yes when I was little I tried to speak to god and wanted to meet him. In the end he just turned out to be my imagination..

Well are you absolutely sure He didn't reach out to you, and maybe He didn't because you were not ready, how do you know He hasn't kept you safe all these years to now reach out to you through this forum, stranger things have happened by far.

GC Wrote:The age is different for each some understand before others, as for the mentally handicapped that would be determined by severity and their ability to understand.
You really believe you're more forgiving, would you allow you son to die a death no on should have to suffer, would you allow him to give up all the advantages he had to be able to live a life he was completely a stranger to, a life of destitution and hardship, a life where most only wanted the physical things he could give them and not care about the forgiveness he was offering. Could you forgive these people for their treatment of your son, and that's just for starters.

SB Wrote:Well all mighty god let it happen. No, I would not forgive them, but I also would not let spend eternity in pain of hell. You see your comparing me to one story, but my point is why would god let just innocent people suffer, and feel lots of pain. Just because there are a few "evil" people from 2000 years ago. Seems like we are already in eternal hell.

Yes, this world can seem like hell at times, why, again the reason is sin. God has allowed mankind to suffer through this world's bad things because we are responsible for the world's condition, not God. Sins of the past, sins now and sins of the future are all committed by mankind and is why we have this world full of terrible things. So why shouldn't we have to live with what we've made.

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No, God created a perfect world with no disease or death, only after Adam and Eve sinned did the creation suffer the fall from God's protection and disease and death came into the world. Our sin is responsible for all the bad things in the world, not God.
When a child has cancer it's difficult to see any good, but God works through good and bad to show people His great love for them. I know, then why doesn't God just heal the children, if it's part of His unchangable will, He will, if not then He has some reason and we may never know why.
As far as me not being able to see God's work, well I think you're wrong. I do not look at God as good or bad, I see Him as the perfectly righteous Being who will, no, who has given everything to redeem everyone who wants Him to.

GC

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(January 1, 2014 at 12:51 pm)Aral Gamelon Wrote:

(January 1, 2014 at 12:47 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: "The bible is the claim not the proof?" That's the dumbest thing I've heard in a while. The Holy Scriptures can serve as evidence. The only question is for what are they evidence. That's like saying the Doppler effect is the claim not the proof. Repeating ignorant aphorisms just makes you sound even more ignorant.

You Christians see your bible as evidence but the rest of the world does not. You claim it is the holy word of god, great happy for you, care to present me with the evidence that it is? Then we'll talk.

Since you lack the mental capacity to see beyond your own Christophobia, I must demonstrate to you your lack of imagination. The bible could be evidence for any of the following:

The existence of the Q gospel.
Political structure of the Roman empire.
Confirming the location of various historical sites.
The role of slavery in ancient Hebrew society.
Etc., etc.

As you can see the biblical texts can serve as evidence supporting a wide range of theories, both religious AND secular.

I will now accept your admission of guilt for mindlessly parroting the stupidity of others.

(January 2, 2014 at 10:41 am)ChadWooters Wrote:

(January 1, 2014 at 12:51 pm)Aral Gamelon Wrote: You Christians see your bible as evidence but the rest of the world does not. You claim it is the holy word of god, great happy for you, care to present me with the evidence that it is? Then we'll talk.

Since you lack the mental capacity to see beyond your own Christophobia, I must demonstrate to you your lack of imagination. The bible could be evidence for any of the following:

The existence of the Q gospel.
Political structure of the Roman empire.
Confirming the location of various historical sites.
The role of slavery in ancient Hebrew society.
Etc., etc.

As you can see the biblical texts can serve as evidence supporting a wide range of theories, both religious AND secular.

I will now accept your admission of guilt for mindlessly parroting the stupidity of others.

You're right. The Bible can serve as evidence for any number of interesting but otherwise mundane claims. It's telling that you so carefully avoided mentioning any of the major doctrinal claims of Christianity for which the Bible is allegedly evidence. When people "mindlessly parrot" the saw that the Bible is the claim, not the evidence, I'm pretty sure it's the supernatural stuff they have in mind -- you know: resurrections and other extraordinary claims.

Oh, and Christophobia?

Even in the case of supernatural theories the bible is not a claim per se. The bible is used as evidence to support various theories, for better or worse.