Satan had free will and chose to rebel against god. Satan knew god, saw god, talked with god, and worked for god. He even made bets with god on torturing poor old Job! Why do christians say that if god showed himself people wouldnt have free will??

You are improving. Only half caps and good punctuation.

However your question could be improved. Lucifer was after all, an angel. All the people who saw Jesus post resurrection and a bunch of people in the OT had direct, irrefutable proof of Divinity. Why was God happy to appear directly to them but not since. What about Their free will!

I can improve it even more....

Quote:Lucifer was after all, an angel just as much of a phony literary creation as 'god'

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(January 15, 2014 at 3:36 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: You are improving. Only half caps and good punctuation.

However your question could be improved. Lucifer was after all, an angel. All the people who saw Jesus post resurrection and a bunch of people in the OT had direct, irrefutable proof of Divinity. Why was God happy to appear directly to them but not since. What about Their free will!

I have CAPITALITIS No MEDS yet.. I made a funny!!

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(January 15, 2014 at 3:36 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: You are improving. Only half caps and good punctuation.

However your question could be improved. Lucifer was after all, an angel. All the people who saw Jesus post resurrection and a bunch of people in the OT had direct, irrefutable proof of Divinity. Why was God happy to appear directly to them but not since. What about Their free will!

My question does not need improving. .. grasshopper!! I said satan. You know the one that made a bet with god.. not lucifer aka jesus, If you read 2 Peter 1'19 and Revelation 22:16 you will notice that Lucifer which is a latin word for Shining Star or Morningstar is Jesus..

That would be a unique interpretation.

God did physically show himself, at least Christians believe he did. Otherwise there isn't anything physically there to show anyone.

(January 15, 2014 at 5:27 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: God did physically show himself, at least Christians believe he did.

...until he conveniently disappeared into the clouds. Hmmm.. what's he hiding from now?

(January 15, 2014 at 6:07 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: ...until he conveniently disappeared into the clouds. Hmmm.. what's he hiding from now?

Removed himself from the 4 dimensional time and space manifold according to William Lane Craig but whatever. But either people had experience of Christ/God in his risen form or they didn't. If they didn't then there will be some other kind of elaborate explanation for what happened there. I think there is a little more work needed to dismiss this one even if you can if you like. Ideally God would like a voluntary relationship.

(January 15, 2014 at 7:11 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: Removed himself from the 4 dimensional time and space manifold according to William Lane Craig but whatever. But either people had experience of Christ/God in his risen form or they didn't. If they didn't then there will be some other kind of elaborate explanation for what happened there. I think there is a little more work needed to dismiss this one even if you can if you like. Ideally God would like a voluntary relationship.

Does God have a particular fondness for sheepish naivety? Why remove himself from the "4 dimensional time and space manifold," rendering himself about as relevant as any other prophet allegedly carried off into heaven? Why does any elaborate explanation outside of the cognitive sciences need to be given when elaborate belief systems corroborated by nothing but overzealous followers arise in our world all the time?

(January 15, 2014 at 5:27 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: God did physically show himself, at least Christians believe he did. Otherwise there isn't anything physically there to show anyone.

Do you actually read the shit you post? Can you not see how utterly pointless your statement is?