(January 16, 2014 at 12:44 am)Drich Wrote: Nothing this world can provide will ever convince me of anything, because the master of this world does not want us to seek or accept atonement.

...and that's a conversation ender. Drich, you have sealed your tomb in a pit called "Delusion". The least you could do is own it, and I applaud you for doing so. Nothing you say can be taken seriously from here on out. You are no better than the individual that chopped his 3 year old son's head off at breakfast because he was convinced God told him in his sleep, that his son would be the Anti-Christ. You are in ZERO position to criticize this man, because you are that man. Whether or not you have done something like that has zero bearing in you sharing the same mind capable of doing that. As long as you believe that God wants you to do it, it's acceptable. You have no moral intuition of your own that steps in and overrides it. God says kill that kid...You'd do it. I cringe at the idea of people like you being around my son, or even capable of influencing his mind. It's absolutely disgusting. You need to get medical help. You are a danger to society, and should probably be, at minimum, medicated and contained until you can be ruled as sane. If the child murderer believes, as you do, that what he hears, and believes to be God is more important than any worldly obligation to human beings, then you have taken your place next to him. You have a really fucked up idea of God, and if it requires us to submit our ability to a moral agent in order to stamp our ticket to whatever fucked up realm he exists for eternity then he can have it. What a sadistic, and crazy fuck I'd have to be to think that you are right about any of this. Go get help.

You and that man are no different. And despite the clear connection in rationale that you share with him, your delusion will no doubt prevent you from recognizing these shared traits as evidence, and your denial will surely prompt a response filled with the usual coping mechanisms that you so often use in moments that your insanity has been pointed out. Let me save you the trouble....



That about right? Isn't that what you do when you want us to think you're totally sane, and it's us, time and time again, that have hilariously mistaken your relationship with "the master of this world" for psycopathy? Laugh it up chuckles. I don't think it's funny at all.

Go ahead and give your version of it. But as long as you place the voices in your head over the safety of the real people that surround you, there's not a single emoticon or defense mechanism that can deflect from the fact that it's you who has mistaken your psycopathy for a realtionship with "The master of this world".

(January 16, 2014 at 2:13 pm)The Reality Salesman Wrote:

(January 16, 2014 at 12:44 am)Drich Wrote: Nothing this world can provide will ever convince me of anything, because the master of this world does not want us to seek or accept atonement.

...and that's a conversation ender. Drich, you have sealed your tomb in a pit called "Delusion". The least you could do is own it, and I applaud you for doing so. Nothing you say can be taken seriously from here on out. You are no better than the individual that chopped his 3 year old son's head off at breakfast because he was convinced God told him in his sleep, that his son would be the Anti-Christ. You are in ZERO position to criticize this man, because you are that man. Whether or not you have done something like that has zero bearing in you sharing the same mind capable of doing that. As long as you believe that God wants you to do it, it's acceptable. You have no moral intuition of your own that steps in and overrides it. God says kill that kid...You'd do it. I cringe at the idea of people like you being around my son, or even capable of influencing his mind. It's absolutely disgusting. You need to get medical help. You are a danger to society, and should probably be, at minimum, medicated and contained until you can be ruled as sane. If the child murderer believes, as you do, that what he hears, and believes to be God is more important than any worldly obligation to human beings, then you have taken your place next to him. You have a really fucked up idea of God, and if it requires us to submit our ability to a moral agent in order to stamp our ticket to whatever fucked up realm he exists for eternity then he can have it. What a sadistic, and crazy fuck I'd have to be to think that you are right about any of this. Go get help.

You and that man are no different. And despite the clear connection in rationale that you share with him, your delusion will no doubt prevent you from recognizing these shared traits as evidence, and your denial will surely prompt a response filled with the usual coping mechanisms that you so often use in moments that your insanity has been pointed out. Let me save you the trouble....



That about right? Isn't that what you do when you want us to think you're totally sane, and it's us, time and time again, that have hilariously mistaken your relationship with "the master of this world" for psycopathy? Laugh it up chuckles. I don't think it's funny at all.

Go ahead and give your version of it. But as long as you place the voices in your head over the safety of the real people that surround you, there's not a single emoticon or defense mechanism that can deflect from the fact that it's you who has mistaken your psycopathy for a realtionship with "The master of this world".

i believe he belongs in the hall of shame

(January 16, 2014 at 12:28 am)Drich Wrote:

(January 15, 2014 at 2:26 pm)Esquilax Wrote: So, aside from your translation making the next sentence kind of redundant, how is "nothing will be impossible for you," metaphorical? It's a direct statement.
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http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm...onc_946020

The above link is this whole passage in the Greek. In its alliterative form the passage can also read 'you will never be with out power or strength.' But again most bibles are direct translations, and do not typically lend themselves to commentary.

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Quote:No, that's only if you're wrong and atheism is correct, you self righteous prick. What if you're wrong and literally any other religion is correct?

calm down I was just having some fun with the idea that you are going to burn forever sheesh...

If any other religion is correct and Christianity is wrong then I will most defiantly burn (or whatever happens to infedels) with the rest of you a-holes.. Matter of fact lets try and meet up and burn it all down before Allah knows what's going on. Maybe we can start a camel stampede or something and take out a few of the promised virgins so the murder bombers don't get so many of them.. however if Jesus is there I'm rat'n all y'all out to the tune of na na a boo boo, and I told you so.. Just sayn...

What do you want me to say here? If I am wrong I like the rest of you will face judgement by whatever deity there is and will do my best to spit in It's eye on my way to hell... Aside from those of you planning to make a post death bed confession or an appeal to the lack of logic whatever god overlooked, going to be any different than what you will do?

They say never say never, I am saying I will never appeal to another God even if there is proof beyond proof (which by the way I wrote a thread or about 12/21/12) if Jesus is not God the. I do not want anything to do with whatever Heaven there is. There is not other God/circumstance I want anything to do with in this life let alone eternity.

Quote:And this is the dishonest lynchpin of Drich's entire A/S/K bullshit: the moment you even consider that there might be a failure state for his test, you're no longer doing it correctly. All he's done is posited an unfalsifiable, and therefore irrational, justification for his belief.

As usual.

and if this 'dishonest lynchpin' belongs to Drich, but to God.. Then what? Will you debate Him on your judgement day?

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(January 15, 2014 at 9:58 pm)(╯°◊°）╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: Maybe we got an answer and that answer was "there is no god".

Who did you get your answer from?

Who ever wrote the bible

(January 16, 2014 at 2:42 pm)Yahweh Wrote: i believe he belongs in the hall of shame

Shit, he was a first-ballot inductee. There's a whole wing named after him.

Evidence yes.



(It's a little bit dated in some ways but still perfectly viable as a revelation from the creator of the universe)

Hard concrete proof not so much as then you would remove the freedom of will aspect.

(January 16, 2014 at 7:06 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: Evidence yes.



(It's a little bit dated in some ways but still perfectly viable as a revelation from the creator of the universe)

Hard concrete proof not so much as then you would remove the freedom of will aspect.

The Bible is the evidence. Evidence of people having some kind of experience of something which clearly got them going a bit. It's not evidence you like but you can't have scientific evidence of God. You could have scientific evidence of a miracle but you couldn't prove God has anything to do with it just that something unusual happened. Unusual things happen all the time anyway.

(January 16, 2014 at 7:11 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: The Bible is the evidence. Evidence of people having some kind of experience of something which clearly got them going a bit. It's not evidence you like but you can't have scientific evidence of God. You could have scientific evidence of a miracle but you couldn't prove God has anything to do with it just that something unusual happened. Unusual things happen all the time anyway.

I guess ya just gotta have faith then huh? The bible is proof that people back then were unoriginal, gullible, and possibly suffered from a mental illness. You should trust me. I'm an atheist, so, by default, I'm instantly smarter than you.

(January 16, 2014 at 7:11 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: The Bible is the evidence. Evidence of people having some kind of experience of something which clearly got them going a bit. It's not evidence you like but you can't have scientific evidence of God. You could have scientific evidence of a miracle but you couldn't prove God has anything to do with it just that something unusual happened. Unusual things happen all the time anyway.

The bible is the claim.

(January 13, 2014 at 7:11 pm)FreeTony Wrote: Two options for a believer:

1) There is sufficient evidence to believe the Jesus/God claims in the bible, therefore no faith* is required to believe.

2) There is not sufficient evidence to believe (on evidence alone), which is why faith is required.

Let's imagine Christianity is true, then the following occurs:

Any additional evidence that people find, e.g. they find Noahs Ark/prove the existence of God through logic/ find genuine non christian evidence of Jesus etc push you from 2) towards 1). Eventually you reach a point where faith is not required.

This would be fine, except Christians argue that God purposefully doesn't make his existence obvious** (some claim this would negate free will). So as more and more data supporting Christianity emerges, this plan to not be believed in, apart from those with faith, is slowly ruined.

It also means that people nowadays are unfairly treated (sent to hell for not believing), compared to times in the future where more evidence is available and they are therefore less likely to not believe and get sent to hell***.

It just doesn't make any sense, or does it?

* Faith here is defined as belief without sufficient evidence.
** If an ominpotent God wanted everyone to believe iit exists, it would be able to do this.
*** Even if no hell, Christians almost always argue there are benefits to being a Christian, making life more pleasureable and tend to include life after death which is seen as a massive positive.

You base everything on "evidence". But, then you discount "evidence" found by "believers". Why do you look for something that doesn't exist in you mind, and heart? That would be foolish! Oue?

You don't doubt any evidence by physicists about matter and energy! Even though you, yourself are unable to recreate any of their experiments!
Or, even the fact that many other physicists may be unable to acttually recreate supporting evidence....or even explain it!

So... whats the difference?

A true believer, doesn't need any evidence... at least in a physical manner. But talking "spiritual" to an atheist, is like writing physics formulas on a kindergarten blackboard.

When you Love God, the Holy Spirit shows you things spritual. Things that sometimes are meant for only yourself....things no one else will understand. Even other believers.

But, as a good Christian friend of mine always says: "This is just everyday stuff, to those who Love the Lord!" Amen!