(January 25, 2014 at 2:56 am)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: The truth is, a huge number of Europeans were already quite okay with virulent anti-Semitism,

Fixed that for you. Anti-semitism was hardly a Germany only trait. It wasn't even until after the war that the rest of Europe started to think, y'know, maybe hating the Jews ain't such a great idea.

And I still say that the treaty played a much bigger role with Hitlers rise than anything else. It destroyed their economy by making them pay war reparations for WWI and the people were desperate and tired and angry and scared. When people are like that, it's VERY easy for a strong man to come in and take charge.

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(January 25, 2014 at 7:15 am)Psykhronic Wrote: Am I the only one who would derive entertainment from an entire thread wherein only Ego and Mehmet debate?

Hell, I want to get The Germans Are Coming to come back and get him to have a talk with Ego. That should be interesting.

(January 25, 2014 at 6:17 am)Kayenneh Wrote:

(January 25, 2014 at 3:11 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Don't mind her Egoraptor, she just loves them because they were "co-belligerents" during WWII.

Don't mind him EgoRapror, he just loves himself and all True TurksTM, the rest of the world is filled with undermensch, who should be wiped off the face of the earth.

We don't have a concept of a "true Turk". Either you're a Turk, or you're not.
Though you seem to have a political party with the name of "True Finns".

Quote:How very German of you all...ROFLOL

Yeah, I'm singing the Horst-Wessel lied as we speak.
Come on, altogether Kameraden! Die Fahne hoch, die Reihen fest geschlossen....

I specified Germans specifically because, although Hitler came to rule over a large part of Europe, it's safe to say that most outside of Germany and Austria didn't have much say in the matter.

While I would hardly deny that the Versailles Treaty was a large factor in Hitler's ascent to the top, by 1932 (when he was elected Chancellor) , Versailles was almost a decade and a half past, and the victors by then had relaxed a lot of the most evonomically-onerous penalties. Weimar Germany was actually starting to get its act together a little bit and Nazi fortunes waned. It was the Great Depression which sealed its fate.

None of this excuses a revanchist German population from electing Hitler. Again, Germans could not possibly claim ignorance. Hitler was always candid about his prejudices, as well as how he intended to avenge himself and his people against enemies he explicitly identified in print and in speech by the mid 20s.

Hitler was anti Semitic, antidemocratic, racist and fueled by anger over the results of the Great War. He was just like millions of other Germans, especially the veterans and youths who formed the early core of National Socialism. It wasn't just fear or desperation; he was precisely what Germany wanted.

Why should I give a rat's ass about what "Nietzche Understood" about Germany, even if true?

(January 25, 2014 at 1:46 am)EgoRaptor Wrote:

(January 25, 2014 at 1:42 am)Darkstar Wrote: So I guess the natives just freely handed over all of their land because we asked nicely, huh?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_i...ted_States

The American Indians suffered great injustices, but I do not think that it constitutes a genocide.

Of course it was genocide. Read a fucking history book.

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(January 25, 2014 at 1:46 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:

(January 25, 2014 at 1:42 am)Darkstar Wrote: So I guess the natives just freely handed over all of their land because we asked nicely, huh?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_i...ted_States

Well, true but I think that it was more like a survival of the fittest situation.
The Red indians were not able to persevere. Shame, but that's the reality.

Shove your Social Darwinism up your racist ass.

(January 25, 2014 at 1:49 am)Chuck Wrote:

(January 25, 2014 at 12:57 am)EgoRaptor Wrote: Nietzsche was German, but was intelligent & therefore not a patriot of any sort. He wrote in his later life that the Kaiser should be shot & Germany destroyed.

Nietzsche wouldn't have shed a single tear for the Jews if he saw the gas chambers running full tilt.

Yes, Germany would stop being useful once it destroys Israel, wouldn't it.

Not too late to destroy Germany then.

Nietzsche loved the Jews. He was a staunch philosemite. He would rather have died than see any harm come to the Jews. Especially if that harm came from the German untermenschen.

(January 25, 2014 at 1:53 am)EgoRaptor Wrote:

(January 25, 2014 at 1:51 am)TaraJo Wrote: If what happened to the American Indians doesn't qualify as a genocide, I don't think you can accuse the Germans of genocide, either. I mean, we killed a much larger percentage of the Native population than Hitler did the Jewish population, not to mention we damn near completely eradicated their culture while Jewish culture is still going strong.

I swear, I can't wait for the day EgoRaptor finds out he has German genes.

I am not a German! I am pure British & Irish, not something I'm particularly proud of, but at least I am not a German.

Also what you are saying amounts to belittlement of the shoah, a crime in many countries.

Of course you have German ancestry - what do you think the 'Saxon' in 'Anglo-Saxon' means?

(January 25, 2014 at 2:44 am)Kayenneh Wrote: I have to point out your hypocrisy to you, Ego. Being a hater of any geological location and its denizens is just as idiotic as patriotism, and just as narrowminded.

I hate the culture of the German untermensch, the Germans would not be untermenschen if they assimilated into the surrounding countries. One of my best friends is a Canadian-assimilated German.

(January 25, 2014 at 12:45 pm)EgoRaptor Wrote:

(January 25, 2014 at 2:44 am)Kayenneh Wrote: I have to point out your hypocrisy to you, Ego. Being a hater of any geological location and its denizens is just as idiotic as patriotism, and just as narrowminded.

I hate the culture of the German untermensch, the Germans would not be untermenschen if they assimilated into the surrounding countries. One of my best friends is a Canadian-assimilated German.

Ah the old "I can't be prejudiced against" <insert some branch of humanity here> "because some of my best friends are" <whatever they are prejudiced against>, defence.

(January 25, 2014 at 12:49 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(January 25, 2014 at 12:45 pm)EgoRaptor Wrote: I hate the culture of the German untermensch, the Germans would not be untermenschen if they assimilated into the surrounding countries. One of my best friends is a Canadian-assimilated German.

Ah the old "I can't be prejudiced against" <insert some branch of humanity here> "because some of my best friends are" <whatever they are prejudiced against>, defence.

People always act like it is an illegitimate defence, when in reality, one who associates with [insert group here] is highly unlikely to be prejudiced against [insert group here].

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Hate the untermenschen culture, not the untermensch!