Quote:Ah. You are beaten and like every leftist shout racist when you have no reply. You cannopt take apart my rebuttel and resort to the usual position of the extremist-just shout!

I have no interest in doing so, because there's no substance to rebut. I've given you a lot more legitimate discourse than you deserve. To go further would merely debase myself.

But, if you feel like you need to call it a win, wave your dick all you want. Go nuts. You're a victorious racist.

(February 7, 2014 at 1:47 am)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote:

Quote:That is the most doctrinaire, idiotic leftist nonsense I have heard. When I say thug I mean thug.

No you fucking didn't. You cannot actually expect anyone to think that 'thug' in this context is not a replacement for 'blacks' when you make a point of identifying the races of the victims.

rasetsu's got you pegged. So does Minimalist. You're a racist and a hypocrite. You've displayed all of the negative behavior of which you've accused me. I'm done. Fuck off.

If he said thug and your mind equated that to black people, then you might be the one with the problem here.

(February 7, 2014 at 3:19 am)FlyingNarwhal Wrote:

(February 7, 2014 at 1:47 am)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: No you fucking didn't. You cannot actually expect anyone to think that 'thug' in this context is not a replacement for 'blacks' when you make a point of identifying the races of the victims.

rasetsu's got you pegged. So does Minimalist. You're a racist and a hypocrite. You've displayed all of the negative behavior of which you've accused me. I'm done. Fuck off.

If he said thug and your mind equated that to black people, then you might be the one with the problem here.

Quite right.

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Poor old ryantology

Can't rebut so he claims he is not rebutting because it might 'demean him' and now he is all butthurt because the whole interwebs is not agreeing with him that calling racist thug 'thugs' means that I must think all black people are thugs.

Poor little lambkin.

(February 7, 2014 at 3:19 am)FlyingNarwhal Wrote: If he said thug and your mind equated that to black people, then you might be the one with the problem here.

If I came to that conclusion without all of the other posts to provide context, then I would agree entirely, that would be a problem.

Reading earlier in the thread would make it clear that I gave him the benefit of the doubt until it was no longer possible.

(February 7, 2014 at 3:43 am)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote:

(February 7, 2014 at 3:19 am)FlyingNarwhal Wrote: If he said thug and your mind equated that to black people, then you might be the one with the problem here.

If I came to that conclusion without all of the other posts to provide context, then I would agree entirely, that would be a problem.

Reading earlier in the thread would make it clear that I gave him the benefit of the doubt until it was no longer possible.

No you continued until you got (in your native parlance) an ass whuppin' then you ran away screaming 'racist' with your fingers in your ears back to the Asylum for the mentally deranged where you share a room with minimalist and rasetsu.

(February 7, 2014 at 3:43 am)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote:

(February 7, 2014 at 3:19 am)FlyingNarwhal Wrote: If he said thug and your mind equated that to black people, then you might be the one with the problem here.

If I came to that conclusion without all of the other posts to provide context, then I would agree entirely, that would be a problem.

Reading earlier in the thread would make it clear that I gave him the benefit of the doubt until it was no longer possible.

The context that you speak of is made up only of the assumptions you created. He used the term "race-baiting" and you first made the generalization that the only people that use the term "race-baiting" are racist. And then made the inference using bad evidence that La Ban might be racist for using the term. Then you again make a false assumption that "thug"="black" and use it to further confirm your belief. Your entire foundation for believing that La Ban is a racist is shaky at best, and indicative of someone that is hyper sensitive to topics of race.

(February 7, 2014 at 4:28 am)FlyingNarwhal Wrote: The context that you speak of is made up only of the assumptions you created. He used the term "race-baiting" and you first made the generalization that the only people that use the term "race-baiting" are racist. And then made the inference using bad evidence that La Ban might be racist for using the term.

That's an interesting interpretation of what I actually said:

Now, you can incorrectly ascertain from what I just said that I'm implying that you're a racist. Given your other positions, I can't believe that's true, but you open yourself up to misunderstanding when you use a term racists frequently use to attack those who expose them as racists.

Quote:Then you again make a false assumption that "thug"="black" and use it to further confirm your belief.

It's not an assumption. It's a culmination of viewpoints he previously stated, among which:

it is true that young black men are the most criminally minded combination of sex,skin colour and age in the USA

In all this talk about blanket generalizations, this one stands out because of the obvious implication that black males are 'criminally-minded'. It ignores the reality of social and economic factors which are the catalyst for criminal behavior. It's a page right out of the white racist handbook. Lock your doors, there are criminally-minded young black males around.

Quote:Your entire foundation for believing that La Ban is a racist is shaky at best, and indicative of someone that is hyper sensitive to topics of race.

You should actually read the thread before you respond to it.

(February 7, 2014 at 4:42 am)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: That's an interesting interpretation of what I actually said:

Now, you can incorrectly ascertain from what I just said that I'm implying that you're a racist. Given your other positions, I can't believe that's true, but you open yourself up to misunderstanding when you use a term racists frequently use to attack those who expose them as racists.

I'm pretty sure I got my interpretation pretty spot on, I'm afraid you may have misunderstood what I was saying here.

(February 7, 2014 at 4:28 am)FlyingNarwhal Wrote: He used the term "race-baiting" and you first made the generalization that the only people that use the term "race-baiting" are racist.

You did in fact make the generalization that the term "race-baiting" is used almost exclusively by racists in the latter portion of your statement:

(February 5, 2014 at 8:34 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: Given your other positions, I can't believe that's true, but you open yourself up to misunderstanding when you use a term racists frequently use to attack those who expose them as racists.

and

(February 7, 2014 at 4:28 am)FlyingNarwhal Wrote: And then made the inference using bad evidence that La Ban might be racist for using the term.

I choose my words carefully, and I chose "might be" because I understood that at that time you were not full out accusing him, but I could see you putting that option on the table.

(February 7, 2014 at 4:42 am)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: It's not an assumption. It's a culmination of viewpoints he previously stated, among which:

it is true that young black men are the most criminally minded combination of sex,skin colour and age in the USA

In all this talk about blanket generalizations, this one stands out because of the obvious implication that black males are 'criminally-minded'. It ignores the reality of social and economic factors which are the catalyst for criminal behavior. It's a page right out of the white racist handbook. Lock your doors, there are criminally-minded young black males around.

Again, view points that you have twisted on your own to conform to your racial hypersensitivity. You attributed the term "race-baiter" almost exclusively to racists, false. That people that use the word thug secretly mean black people, false. And what La Ban said about young black males being more criminally minded seems more like a poorly worded choice of words, especially considering he further expounded upon what he meant later on when he said:

(February 7, 2014 at 1:40 am)là bạn điên Wrote: Wheras the reality is that it is a combination of poverty, a culture amongst teenagers that devalues education, absence of father figures as disciplinary agents and role models, a sense of alienation from majority society, cultural imagery that glorifies criminal lifestyles and genetically higher than average levels of testosterone. Because I am a liberal and beleive in the scientific process and am essentially a determinist I fully understand that people subject to all the above are going to be vastly more likley to commit crime. I have no interest in punishment or retribution but to seek effective methods of dealing with the situation, something that sets me directly apart from conservatives .

Sounds to me like he isn't ignoring the social and economic factors you speak of, he in fact addressed quite a few of them here. He even talks about his desire to address those issues as well. The fact of the matter is that it is these social and economic factors that drive a large portion of young black men to crime. So yes, young black males are in fact more likely to commit crime but that is mainly due to these outside influences. Something which I'm pretty sure both you and La Ban probably agree on, but again due to your hypersensitivity you have called him out to be a racist.

(February 7, 2014 at 4:42 am)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: You should actually read the thread before you respond to it.

I did, I suggest you do the same and not jump to conclusions so rapidly.

Couldn't help myself

Ryantology seems to think that my stating that it is true that young black men are the most criminally minded of the combinations of age, sex and color is 'racist' as it labels black people. It also labels young people and male people.

If we assume 5 age groups Children, 14-24 yea olds (adolscents and young adults) 25-50 year olds (full adults) ,50-69 adults (older middle aged) and 70+ (the elderly), two sexes and for our purposes 5 Ethnic groups White, Black, Latino, Asian and 'Other' we get 50 combinations from Asian boys through White coeds , Latino men, Black middle aged women and 'Other' elderly gentlemen.

Of those 50 combinations the most prone to crime especially violent ,on average, will be 14-24 year old black males and then other 14-24 year old males.

Its just a fact which can be explained by many factors of which I have listed a number. It says NOTHING about how many young black men are criminal.

If I was to list professional basketball players then the shortest would probably be Ivory Latta who is 5'6. IS that me saying she is short? Hardly. its actually taller than average but merely by saying she is the shortage of a group according to Ryantology I am definitely calling her short.

Then I think Ryantology probably realities this and is selectively quoting to try and whip up hysteria as RACEBAITERS generally do.