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Proof gun control works
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Proof gun control works
A couple days ago in Sydney (in fact right near the building where I was working) a crazy guy was out trying to stab people with a big knife. He got one woman injured (that was in a hotel building, I believe) and maybe murdered another woman (if it was indeed him), but otherwise failed to even hurt others.

Imagine now he had a gun instead.
"Our attitudes towards things like race or gender operate on two levels. First of all, we have our conscious attitudes. This is what we choose to believe. These are our stated values, which we use to direct our behavior deliberately ... But the IAT [Implicit Association Test] measures something else. It measures our second level of attitude, our racial attitude on an unconscious level - the immediate, automatic associations that tumble out before we've even had time to think. We don't deliberately choose our unconscious attitudes. And ... we may not even be aware of them. The giant computer that is our unconscious silently crunches all the data it can from the experiences we've had, the people we've met, the lessons we've learned, the books we've read, the movies we've seen, and so on, and it forms an opinion." - Malcolm Gladwell
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#2
RE: Proof gun control works
Or imagine he had a brass dildo.

Then you'd REALLY be fucked.

Big Grin
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#3
RE: Proof gun control works
(August 14, 2019 at 8:22 pm)Grandizer Wrote: A couple days ago in Sydney (in fact right near the building where I was working) a crazy guy was out trying to stab people with a big knife. He got one woman injured (that was in a hotel building, I believe) and maybe murdered another woman (if it was indeed him), but otherwise failed to even hurt others.

Imagine now he had a gun instead.

Or... Imagine being a psychopathic criminal who doesn't care about the legality of firearms and buying one on the black market anyway... Woah Doh
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RE: Proof gun control works
(August 14, 2019 at 8:57 pm)EgoDeath Wrote:
(August 14, 2019 at 8:22 pm)Grandizer Wrote: A couple days ago in Sydney (in fact right near the building where I was working) a crazy guy was out trying to stab people with a big knife. He got one woman injured (that was in a hotel building, I believe) and maybe murdered another woman (if it was indeed him), but otherwise failed to even hurt others.

Imagine now he had a gun instead.

Or... Imagine being a psychopathic criminal who doesn't care about the legality of firearms and buying one on the black market anyway... Woah Doh

Yeah, I'm not going to pretend that gun control is going to be a cure-all, even if you go all the way and make all firearms illegal. That said, it is a fairly easy starting point when trying to fix the problem. There's a shitton of factors that factor into mass murders and I'm not sure anything short of destroying American culture and starting again completely from scratch will totally eliminate it. But gun control is probably the easiest place to start and tackle the problem, and I suspect it may be the only avenue that the law might actually affect.
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RE: Proof gun control works
(August 14, 2019 at 8:53 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Or imagine he had a brass dildo.

Then you'd REALLY be fucked.

Big Grin

Yeah you got me there with this witty comeback, man. Gun control ... Such a silly thing ...
"Our attitudes towards things like race or gender operate on two levels. First of all, we have our conscious attitudes. This is what we choose to believe. These are our stated values, which we use to direct our behavior deliberately ... But the IAT [Implicit Association Test] measures something else. It measures our second level of attitude, our racial attitude on an unconscious level - the immediate, automatic associations that tumble out before we've even had time to think. We don't deliberately choose our unconscious attitudes. And ... we may not even be aware of them. The giant computer that is our unconscious silently crunches all the data it can from the experiences we've had, the people we've met, the lessons we've learned, the books we've read, the movies we've seen, and so on, and it forms an opinion." - Malcolm Gladwell
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RE: Proof gun control works
(August 14, 2019 at 9:06 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:
(August 14, 2019 at 8:57 pm)EgoDeath Wrote: Or... Imagine being a psychopathic criminal who doesn't care about the legality of firearms and buying one on the black market anyway... Woah Doh

Yeah, I'm not going to pretend that gun control is going to be a cure-all, even if you go all the way and make all firearms illegal. That said, it is a fairly easy starting point when trying to fix the problem. There's a shitton of factors that factor into mass murders and I'm not sure anything short of destroying American culture and starting again completely from scratch will totally eliminate it. But gun control is probably the easiest place to start and tackle the problem, and I suspect it may be the only avenue that the law might actually affect.
Totally agree that strict gun control is necessary here. But making all firearms illegal? Can't say I agree with that or think it will be effective, even if I did agree with it.

Heroin's illegal and could be considered a weapon of mass destruction from a distributor's perspective, how's that working out for us? Obviously a lot of differenves in that analogy but hopefully you see what I'm getting at.

I'm not here saying all criminals will just go out and get guns anyway. A lot of them might not. Less access obviously means less access, and only certain people will have the sense to know how to cop guns on the street, but it doesn't take a genius.

I could teach a chess nerd how to get a gun off the street and I'm not all that bright. Most people, especially psychopaths hell bent on destruction, could probably figure it out. I don't think it's a good idea to send all of these monsters to the black market.
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RE: Proof gun control works
(August 14, 2019 at 9:13 pm)EgoDeath Wrote: Totally agree that strict gun control is necessary here. But making all firearms illegal? Can't say I agree with that or think it will be effective, even if I did agree with it.

Heroin's illegal and could be considered a weapon of mass destruction from a distributor's perspective, how's that working out for us? Obviously a lot of differenves in that analogy but hopefully you see what I'm getting at.

I personally do not think making all guns illegal would be a good idea, even if it were plausible for America. However, I know some of us do, which is why I bought it up. As for heroin, last week, I wrote a post about that, and how, even when the Russians managed to effectively stop the flow of heroin into the country, they still made things far worse. As bad as heroin is, at least it doesn't do this:





And that's a bowdlerised version of what Krokodil does to human flesh. The real thing is a hell of a lot crueller.
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RE: Proof gun control works
(August 14, 2019 at 8:57 pm)EgoDeath Wrote:
(August 14, 2019 at 8:22 pm)Grandizer Wrote: A couple days ago in Sydney (in fact right near the building where I was working) a crazy guy was out trying to stab people with a big knife. He got one woman injured (that was in a hotel building, I believe) and maybe murdered another woman (if it was indeed him), but otherwise failed to even hurt others.

Imagine now he had a gun instead.

Or... Imagine being a psychopathic criminal who doesn't care about the legality of firearms and buying one on the black market anyway... Woah Doh

Yes that can happen, and has happened, but as someone who lives in Australia with strict gun control policies, this has not been much of a problem, but it has happened a bit here and there. And if it was simple enough, that kid wouldn't be using a knife to try to stab people. He'd be shooting them down instead, and it wouldn't have been as easy to trap him and prevent him from causing further injuries and murders.
"Our attitudes towards things like race or gender operate on two levels. First of all, we have our conscious attitudes. This is what we choose to believe. These are our stated values, which we use to direct our behavior deliberately ... But the IAT [Implicit Association Test] measures something else. It measures our second level of attitude, our racial attitude on an unconscious level - the immediate, automatic associations that tumble out before we've even had time to think. We don't deliberately choose our unconscious attitudes. And ... we may not even be aware of them. The giant computer that is our unconscious silently crunches all the data it can from the experiences we've had, the people we've met, the lessons we've learned, the books we've read, the movies we've seen, and so on, and it forms an opinion." - Malcolm Gladwell
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RE: Proof gun control works
Again, Charles Whitman is a pretty good object lesson: he holed himself up in the University of Texas belltower, brought several weapons along, and managed to kill a dozen people (not including the receptionist at the tower, David Gunby, who died 35 years after the incident of causes that are impossible to separate from the shooting, Claire Wilson's unborn son [listed among the fallen on Wikipedia], and his own wife and mother) and injured 31 others in the span of 99 minutes [I'm starting the massacre about three minutes before the common starting point, with the Gabours' shooting] before the cops were able to get to him, and to ensure the cops couldn't find a blind spot to enter the tower, he had multiple weapons stationed in different directions and he went from weapon to weapon, and it worked well enough that, at the time, police assumed there were FOUR snipers instead of one. I can't say I expect something like this to happen with a knife nut.
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RE: Proof gun control works
Quote:Heroin's illegal and could be considered a weapon of mass destruction from a distributor's perspective, how's that working out for us? Obviously a lot of differenves in that analogy but hopefully you see what I'm getting at.
By that logic nothing should be illegal 


Quote:I'm not here saying all criminals will just go out and get guns anyway. A lot of them might not. Less access obviously means less access, and only certain people will have the sense to know how to cop guns on the street, but it doesn't take a genius.
Again by that logic nothing should be illegal 

Quote:I could teach a chess nerd how to get a gun off the street and I'm not all that bright. Most people, especially psychopaths hell bent on destruction, could probably figure it out. I don't think it's a good idea to send all of these monsters to the black market.
You can black  market anything . Not really a good reason
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