(January 31, 2014 at 3:50 pm)snowtracks Wrote: without matter, energy, "information", there would be nothing; no god

Fixed for ya

(February 3, 2014 at 8:34 pm)snowtracks Wrote: the odds must be astronomical: there are 7 billion people on this planet and all know that inflation is after singularity except a handful, and it just happens that they're the ones posting on this board.

You've already demonstrated that the philosophy underpinning your position doesn't agree with it in the slightest. You should tend to that before you try to tackle the more difficult question of scientific validity.

(February 3, 2014 at 8:34 pm)snowtracks Wrote: the odds must be astronomical: there are 7 billion people on this planet and all know that inflation is after singularity except a handful, and it just happens that they're the ones posting on this board.

You're funny!

But, I have a phd in theoretical physics, so I demand that in your balance I at least count for 5 ordinary people!

(February 4, 2014 at 3:07 am)Alex K Wrote:

(February 3, 2014 at 8:34 pm)snowtracks Wrote: the odds must be astronomical: there are 7 billion people on this planet and all know that inflation is after singularity except a handful, and it just happens that they're the ones posting on this board.

You're funny!

But, I have a phd in theoretical physics, so I demand that in your balance I at least count for 5 ordinary people!

I am a conceited fucker, and if don't think a PhD is physics is worth jack shit. But it is still worth a more than any number of creationists.

(February 4, 2014 at 3:15 am)Chuck Wrote:

(February 4, 2014 at 3:07 am)Alex K Wrote: You're funny!

But, I have a phd in theoretical physics, so I demand that in your balance I at least count for 5 ordinary people!

I am a conceited fucker, and if don't think a PhD is physics is worth jack shit.

Heh, Now there's a healthy attitude! No kings no masters. Although, while I'm not exactly a cosmologist, It kinda is my wider area of expertise. But I was of course being facetious, don't take my word for anything (though 1:5 is fair no?).

(February 2, 2014 at 2:42 am)Esquilax Wrote:

(February 2, 2014 at 2:38 am)snowtracks Wrote: couple of comments on that: hypothetically if God exist, we know He wouldn't be created by another 'god' to the 2'nd power, etc since that would means an infinite regression of causes which would solve nothing because that process couldn't ever begin.

So, your position is basically special pleading: "The universe can't exist without a cause, since no human has seen an effect without a cause! I propose a god, that exists without a cause, to solve it!" Fucking hell.

More importantly, you're begging the question anyway, since you haven't even attempted to establish that an infinite regress or uncaused, unconscious universe is impossible. Argument from ignorance.

Quote:theological answer: God is uncaused, independent, and self-explanatory; and is supra-dimensional which is that He exist outside the space-time-energy-matter U. envelope.

Whenever people say something is "self-explanatory," what they usually mean is "I have accepted this explanation." That's not the same thing, nor does simply labeling something as self-explanatory obligates others to accept it as such.

self-explanatory - there exist an internal component about the knowledge of God that each person possess. Scripturally, God says that knowledge is written on each person's heart (spirit).
former atheists have said that this imprint of God kept coming up within them and had to remind themselves that there was not God.

(February 11, 2014 at 9:14 pm)snowtracks Wrote: self-explanatory - there exist an internal component about the knowledge of God that each person possess.

Bald assertion.

(February 11, 2014 at 9:14 pm)snowtracks Wrote: Scripturally, God says that knowledge is written on each person's heart (spirit).

Irrelevant.

(February 11, 2014 at 9:14 pm)snowtracks Wrote: former atheists have said that this imprint of God kept coming up within them and had to remind themselves that there was not God.

Of course these former atheists were first former xtians. That kind of indoctrination can be a bear to shake. You can't really blame them for abandoning reason and back sliding into the medieval muck.

(February 11, 2014 at 9:14 pm)snowtracks Wrote: self-explanatory - there exist an internal component about the knowledge of God that each person possess. Scripturally, God says that knowledge is written on each person's heart (spirit).
former atheists have said that this imprint of God kept coming up within them and had to remind themselves that there was not God.

Yeah, and in the holy Fuckoffigus, it states clearly that anybody who says we have knowledge of the christian god written on our hearts is a child murdering rapist imbecile with no penis, and is also a demon. See, the holy Fuckoffigus is clear that we only have knowledge of the great Atheismo written on our hearts. You're clearly a liar; ex christians routinely confirm the lack of god knowledge in our hearts.

Oh, what's that? You don't want to bring in any other texts but your bible, here?

What was that I said about special pleading?

(February 12, 2014 at 3:33 am)Esquilax Wrote:

(February 11, 2014 at 9:14 pm)snowtracks Wrote: self-explanatory - there exist an internal component about the knowledge of God that each person possess. Scripturally, God says that knowledge is written on each person's heart (spirit).
former atheists have said that this imprint of God kept coming up within them and had to remind themselves that there was not God.

Yeah, and in the holy Fuckoffigus, it states clearly that anybody who says we have knowledge of the christian god written on our hearts is a child murdering rapist imbecile with no penis, and is also a demon. See, the holy Fuckoffigus is clear that we only have knowledge of the great Atheismo written on our hearts. You're clearly a liar; ex christians routinely confirm the lack of god knowledge in our hearts.

Oh, what's that? You don't want to bring in any other texts but your bible, here?

What was that I said about special pleading?

seems i posted something that upset the guy.

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in this physics paper, Disturbing Implications of a Cosmological Constant, it says on the page 2 that "Some unknown
agent" initially started the inflaton. wonder what that's all about?
http://arxiv.org/pdf/hep-th/0208013v3.pdf

(February 14, 2014 at 1:25 am)snowtracks Wrote: seems i posted something that upset the guy.

Why is it that you think drawing attention to the fact that you said something so inane and pointless as to be infuriating counts as a rebuttal?

Quote:in this physics paper, Disturbing Implications of a Cosmological Constant, it says on the page 2 that "Some unknown
agent" initially started the inflaton. wonder what that's all about?
http://arxiv.org/pdf/hep-th/0208013v3.pdf

Your lies don't serve you well, snowy: a little google fu shows that all three of the scientists involved in the writing of that paper were atheists. One, Leonard Susskind, has youtube videos up right now repudiating intelligent design and is in fact listed on numerous lists of famous atheists. Evidently, they don't share the conclusion you're intent on dishonestly forcing into their paper.

You're a fucking liar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDgzRIiQ4b8

Oh, and fun fact? "Agent," doesn't always mean conscious agent, you imbecile. Ever heard the phrase "chemical agent"?