(February 13, 2014 at 1:36 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: Not really because if atheism is true we would cease to exist but there would not be a "you" in existence for this to happen to therefore it wouldn't ever happen to you personally. You can't find out about something that doesn't happen so only atheists can ever be proved conclusively and completely wrong to the fullest extent. Even if say the Sikhs are right then Christians, Muslims, Jews and whoever else will only have been wrong about something.

I don't think you actually know what atheism is.

(February 13, 2014 at 1:36 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: Not really because if atheism is true we would cease to exist but there would not be a "you" in existence for this to happen to therefore it wouldn't ever happen to you personally. You can't find out about something that doesn't happen so only atheists can ever be proved conclusively and completely wrong to the fullest extent. Even if say the Sikhs are right then Christians, Muslims, Jews and whoever else will only have been wrong about something.

Shhh... Quiet guys. Now I know all of you are going to say I'm crazy or something, but sometimes I really think that Sword of Christ can actually talk.

I'd swear he was trying to say something to us.

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Nope. Just gibberish. The noises he makes sounds like language sometimes though doesn't it?

U should really think about ur username.. (sword of christ). That just reminds me of all the blood shed that religion brought.. inquisition, and the crusades... disgusting!!

(February 13, 2014 at 11:30 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: Only atheists are in any danger of being proved conclusively utterly wrong whereupon they will at the very least feel like a proper mug. Given that danger I'd try not make childish remarks about God/faith.

I beg to differ. In case your thick skull has forgotten, the world isn't divided into atheists and Christians. There's a fuckload of other slices to the pie, dimwit.

(February 16, 2014 at 5:31 am)rasetsu Wrote: I beg to differ. In case your thick skull has forgotten, the world isn't divided into atheists and Christians. There's a fuckload of other slices to the pie, dimwit.

All the other religious beliefs entail some form of non-physical or supernatural reality that underpins the natural world and would preserve your conscious beyond physical death, in Christianity this is traditionally called God. Atheism is the only belief that would deny this or not positively affirm the truth of this which is much the same thing as a rejection of the claim. There is Raelism which involves being physically brought back to life by aliens with technology but I think we can agree that's somewhat mad, they would just produce a clone or copy of you at best anyway.

Can we just take a moment to appreciate how telling it is that one of Sword's arguments is "you are the only ones who might be proved wrong!"

For rational people, being wrong is step one on the path to becoming right by changing our views. To Sword, being wrong is some dangerous injury that you can be dealt, sufficiently harmful that you might consider changing your views simply to reduce the chances of being alive when you're proven wrong.

I never said it was a dangerous injury that you can be dealt the point is you can apply Pascals Wager to a certain extent. I can say you'll feel foolish when you're proved 100% wrong seeing as that's the only thing that can ever happen to you personally. If you were 100% right you would cease to exist and therefore not be proved right. I'd rather be wrong believing what I believe than right believing what you lot believe regardless.

(February 17, 2014 at 8:16 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: I never said it was a dangerous injury that you can be dealt the point is you can apply Pascals Wager to a certain extent. I can say you'll feel foolish when you're proved 100% wrong seeing as that's the only thing that can happen to you. If you were right you would cease to exist and therefore not be proved right.

Foolish? No, I'd just alter my beliefs to accept the new reality and accept that I was wrong like a mature, rational adult. The only one here who seems to think being proven wrong is a bad thing, is you.

I'm convinced and will head to the nearest mosque ASAP. Thank you for helping me see the light and find the one true religion, SoC. Thank you!

(February 17, 2014 at 8:16 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: I never said it was a dangerous injury that you can be dealt the point is you can apply Pascals Wager to a certain extent. I can say you'll feel foolish when you're proved 100% wrong seeing as that's the only thing that can happen to you. If you were right you would cease to exist and therefore not be proved right.

Bollocks.

There are all sorts of possibilities.

What if we're both wrong and the Muslims are right? What if the Buddhists are right and we both come back as snails? What if the Scientologists are right (they're not)?

What if EVERYBODY's wrong, and there is a God but not one who's ever revealed his existence to anybody?

Leaving aside the sheet idiocy of Pascal assuming that God could be fooled by a false profession of faith, the whole argument's based on a false dichotomy. It really is the weakest of ALL apologetic arguments (and that's up against some stiff competition).