(February 26, 2014 at 8:44 pm)futilethewinds Wrote: The Old Testament is still the Bible and the Bible is still the word of God, isn't it? And actually, the way I read that verse, it says it's okay to beat a slave with a rod as long as it doesn't die in one or two days.

I guess by that logic we still sacrifice animals too, right?

(February 26, 2014 at 8:50 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: =
I guess by that logic we still sacrifice animals too, right?

Well, we certainly eat them. It's kind of the same thing.

(February 26, 2014 at 8:50 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(February 26, 2014 at 8:44 pm)futilethewinds Wrote: The Old Testament is still the Bible and the Bible is still the word of God, isn't it? And actually, the way I read that verse, it says it's okay to beat a slave with a rod as long as it doesn't die in one or two days.

I guess by that logic we still sacrifice animals too, right?

When did 'God' ever mention that the slavery that he condoned in the OT was no longer okay?

It certainly wasn't in the NT, where Jesus tells slaves to obey their masters, even the cruel ones.

(February 26, 2014 at 8:55 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: When did 'God' ever mention that the slavery that he condoned in the OT was no longer okay?

It certainly wasn't in the NT, where Jesus tells slaves to obey their masters, even the cruel ones.

First of all you know that the slavery the bible talking of is voluntary slavery or indentured servitude, which people would agree to if they were in debt. you could not enslave someone against their will.

Exodus
16 And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.

(February 26, 2014 at 9:16 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(February 26, 2014 at 8:55 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: When did 'God' ever mention that the slavery that he condoned in the OT was no longer okay?

It certainly wasn't in the NT, where Jesus tells slaves to obey their masters, even the cruel ones.

First of all you know that the slavery the bible talking of is voluntary slavery or indentured servitude, which people would agree to if they were in debt. you could not enslave someone against their will.

Exodus
16 And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.

Bullshit.


Leviticus 25:44-46

(February 26, 2014 at 9:30 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:

(February 26, 2014 at 9:16 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: First of all you know that the slavery the bible talking of is voluntary slavery or indentured servitude, which people would agree to if they were in debt. you could not enslave someone against their will.

Exodus
16 And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.

Bullshit.


Leviticus 25:44-46

Does it say that these bondmen and women were taken against their will? I clearly showed your where that was illegal. And I also explained they were allowed to go free in the year of Jubilee.

(February 26, 2014 at 9:39 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(February 26, 2014 at 9:30 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Bullshit.


Leviticus 25:44-46

Does it say that these bondmen and women were taken against their will? I clearly showed your where that was illegal.

Was the law in Leviticus given to anyone except the Israelites?

The language is quite clear; only bonded slavery was allowed to the people of Israel, while the remainder of the world could be subject to chattel slavery.

(February 26, 2014 at 9:40 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Was the law in Leviticus given to anyone except the Israelites?

The language is quite clear; only bonded slavery was allowed to the people of Israel, while the remainder of the world could be subject to chattel slavery.

Maybe maybe not. we have no idea what the other nations the Hebrews dealt with laws were concerning slavery.

Good job op! I think you've got it down.

What's on the menu for next week?

(February 26, 2014 at 8:41 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: So you have issue with someone being told not to kill their slave? you do realize you are quoting old testament law right? Christians do not observe the old covenant, thats what Jesus came to abolish.

First off that is not what that verse says at all. It's not saying "don't kill your slave." It's saying, "it's okay to beat them, just not too hard."
Secondly, Jesus clearly states in Matthew 5:17-19:

Jesus Wrote:17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

(February 26, 2014 at 8:41 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: As for the first second one, its pretty good advice. You see there were a couple of famous slaves in the bible one was Joseph(whose life parallels the life of Jesus perfectly), because he was a faithful and righteous slave he became ruler of all Egypt. And the other is Daniel, a man brought into Babylon as a slave.

Here you are presenting a red herring. The point is the Bible condones slavery, not that it gives good advice about being a slave. Don't do what most theists do and blather on about everything other than what the topic is in order to confuse the point.