He wouldn't forgive you even if that forgiveness was unjust? Oh wait... He does that

He would prevent you from choosing to harm yourself? Ah you got me ...he doesn't do that :/

There really is no condemnation for a genuine failure to understand. There is condemnation for deliberate deceit.

This is better than human law where ignorance is no defence.

You wouldn't find an atheist here who with impossible illogical evidence wouldn't believe. ...No let's not even go there. hudders:

I guess God is much bigger than that.

/re-open

God is as big as you think him to be. He's also as small as you wish he could be. What's interesting is that my daughter can do the same thing with her imaginary friend Wendy.

Salvation isn't a delayed promise, it's immediate. Your sins are forgiven. Passed over as if you didn't do them. Now. This minute. Immediately. You are no longer separated from God : in Hell, dead. Not dead in the future. Dead now this minute, as a result of your separation. "Life eternal" is immediate, and momentary. If it wasn't how is it possible to sin after being saved, ...."Sin" also being separated from God? How it it possible to lose salvation, To no longer believe? Hell/ death/ separation from God/ punishment are an immediate result of sin. Life/ salvation/ forgiveness of sin are likewise immediate.

The bible is inspired by God. It isn't written by God. It's Gods word. It is potentially errant, bit this far not proven to be errant. No one on this forum or anywhere else has ever successfully challenged it. It would be a lie to say they had.

"Eternal" it's an inaccurate translation of the source. It is more accurately translated as "a very long time". "God will bring all things to himself". Death cannot defeat God.

(February 28, 2014 at 3:15 am)fr0d0 Wrote: The bible is inspired by God. It isn't written by God. It's Gods word. It is potentially errant, bit this far not proven to be errant. No one on this forum or anywhere else has ever successfully challenged it. It would be a lie to say they had.

So, is this another one of those "fantasy world" deals you christians tend to live in, or have you just genuinely never read a post here?

I'm betting it's the former, because earlier on you said this:

Quote:He wouldn't forgive you even if that forgiveness was unjust? Oh wait... He does that

Apparently ignoring the two assumptions you're having to make: that there was something god needed to forgive in the first place, and that this forgiveness would at all be unjust. As to the former, god has nothing he can justifiably forgive, he's just a whiny bitch taking actions that don't concern him personally. As to the latter, my actions certainly aren't so grievous that such "forgiveness" would be anywhere near unjust.

Quote:There really is no condemnation for a genuine failure to understand. There is condemnation for deliberate deceit.

Oh sweet, I guess very few of us atheists are going to hell then, because we certainly don't know there's a god, and are lying to ourselves, despite what some of the more boneheaded christians believe.

(February 28, 2014 at 3:15 am)fr0d0 Wrote: The bible is inspired by God. It isn't written by God. It's Gods word. It is potentially errant, bit this far not proven to be errant. No one on this forum or anywhere else has ever successfully challenged it. It would be a lie to say they had.

There's nothing to challenge because it's a book of insubstantial claims.

Why does the Bible enjoy the special status of "true until proven false"?

(February 28, 2014 at 4:09 am)Esquilax Wrote: the two assumptions you're having to make: that there was something god needed to forgive in the first place, and that this forgiveness would at all be unjust.

I've never met a perfect person, but I guess you're saying you're it. Excuse me if I don't take that with a spoonful of skepticism.

(February 28, 2014 at 4:09 am)Esquilax Wrote: I guess very few of us atheists are going to hell then, because we certainly don't know there's a god, and are lying to ourselves, despite what some of the more boneheaded christians believe.

I believe you're lying esq. I can't see inside your head, and you might genuinely believe what you say, so I'll give you three benefit of the doubt.

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(February 28, 2014 at 7:11 am)fr0d0 Wrote: I've never met a perfect person, but I guess you're saying you're it. Excuse me if I don't take that with a spoonful of skepticism.

No, I'm not perfect, but it doesn't follow that my imperfections need to be forgiven by god, especially when they don't affect him at all. Covering your initial assertion with another assertion isn't going to get you anywhere.

Quote:I believe you're lying esq. I can't see inside your head, and you might genuinely believe what you say, so I'll give you three benefit of the doubt.

I'm glad you decided not to tell me what I believe, that's very appreciated. Some wouldn't, and it drives me insane. However, without evidence that I'm lying, I feel fairly safe in merely saying that you're wrong.