(March 3, 2014 at 11:10 pm)snowtracks Wrote:

(March 3, 2014 at 9:24 am)Bad Writer Wrote: Cool story. Forgive my ignorance, but how is a 2000 year old manuscript written by a crazy Jewish exile something to be taken even remotely serious? Did Marty McFly and Doc Brown pick him up in their DeLorean and show him these things millennia into the future?

for approx 2000 years, it seemed highly improbable that the state of israel would exist and with jerusalem the capital. now it is seems improbable that the 3'rd jewish temple will be built especially since most scholars say the temple will be located where the muslim dome of the rock structure currently stands. There are many prophecies concerning the 3'rd temple. God's word is on the line; this prophesy will happen and may even happen in the current generation.

Nastradsmus "prophesied" the attacks on the twin towers too... depending on who you ask. Prophecy is not a hard game to play. And the modern state of Israel is not anything like the Hebrew nation in scripture.

I just built the Temple of Solomon out of Legos. If I fly it over to Jerusalem and place it in the Dome of the Rock, do I win anything for causing the fulfillment of a prophecy?

Is this what the prophecy says?

(March 4, 2014 at 12:07 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote:

(March 3, 2014 at 11:10 pm)snowtracks Wrote: for approx 2000 years, it seemed highly improbable that the state of israel would exist and with jerusalem the capital. now it is seems improbable that the 3'rd jewish temple will be built especially since most scholars say the temple will be located where the muslim dome of the rock structure currently stands. There are many prophecies concerning the 3'rd temple. God's word is on the line; this prophesy will happen and may even happen in the current generation.

Nastradsmus "prophesied" the attacks on the twin towers too... depending on who you ask. Prophecy is not a hard game to play. And the modern state of Israel is not anything like the Hebrew nation in scripture.

to be a prophet of God, the test is 100% accuracy. many false prophets including nastr..

(March 4, 2014 at 1:07 am)snowtracks Wrote: to be a prophet of God, the test is 100% accuracy. many false prophets including nastr..

So, basically, any prophecy that you can spin as "confirmed" is a true prophecy, and any that objectively did not happen are the products of false prophets?

(March 3, 2014 at 11:10 pm)snowtracks Wrote: for approx 2000 years, it seemed highly improbable that the state of israel would exist and with jerusalem the capital. now it is seems improbable that the 3'rd jewish temple will be built especially since most scholars say the temple will be located where the muslim dome of the rock structure currently stands. There are many prophecies concerning the 3'rd temple. God's word is on the line; this prophesy will happen and may even happen in the current generation.

I want to see Zephaniah chapter 1 come true.

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(March 4, 2014 at 1:18 am)Esquilax Wrote: So, basically, any prophecy that you can spin as "confirmed" is a true prophecy, and any that objectively did not happen are the products of false prophets?

The Bible says that all true prophecies will happen during the lifetime of the prophet who makes them. If they don't happen while the prophet is living then the prophet was a liar. So by its own rules all future prophecies in the Bible are lies.

(March 3, 2014 at 2:58 pm)Tonus Wrote:

(March 3, 2014 at 12:26 am)snowtracks Wrote: satan believes and trembles,

That's pretty curious, though. Did Satan not know what the end result would be of turning against god? Nor the "third" of the angels who followed him? If they did not know, then god is quite the deceptive schemer. If they did, then even being in god's presence and knowing his will did not dissuade them from turning on him. What do Satan and the fallen angels know about god that they preferred to defy him, knowing that it could only end one way?

pride took over: "But you said in your heart, 'I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God, And I will sit on the mount of assembly In the recesses of the north. 14'I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.'
and it plays out even though he knows what is written as to the ending. pride continues - - - he believes he has an ace up his sleeve and he will rewrite the ending...."pride comes before a fall".

(March 4, 2014 at 2:40 am)snowtracks Wrote:

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(March 3, 2014 at 2:58 pm)Tonus Wrote: That's pretty curious, though. Did Satan not know what the end result would be of turning against god? Nor the "third" of the angels who followed him? If they did not know, then god is quite the deceptive schemer. If they did, then even being in god's presence and knowing his will did not dissuade them from turning on him. What do Satan and the fallen angels know about god that they preferred to defy him, knowing that it could only end one way?

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pride took over: "But you said in your heart, 'I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God, And I will sit on the mount of assembly In the recesses of the north. 14'I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.'
and it plays out even though he knows what is written as to the ending. pride continues - - - he believes he has an ace up his sleeve and he will rewrite the ending...."pride comes before a fall".

That's basically the story of David and Saul. David ended up backstabbing his king Saul because he wanted to be the big man and didn't want to wait his turn. He could have been a loyal and obedient follower but he got a big head and went to war against his king. That violates a lot of Biblical rules.

The author of the bible violated a lot of rules.

(March 4, 2014 at 2:40 am)snowtracks Wrote: pride took over: "But you said in your heart, 'I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God, And I will sit on the mount of assembly In the recesses of the north. 14'I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.'
and it plays out even though he knows what is written as to the ending. pride continues - - - he believes he has an ace up his sleeve and he will rewrite the ending...."pride comes before a fall".

The question remains-- what do Satan and the demons know about god that they would take such a course?

Maybe they are taking a principled stance against a being who would create them with the ability to manifest pride. Maybe god did that on purpose, for his own amusement? Perhaps god really is so insecure that he needs that occasional pat on the back, so he engineers a situation where he gets to play the hero and people are awestruck at how cool he is. It would explain a lot of things. The fall of man and the intricate plan to redeem mankind that could have been made completely unnecessary with three words, for example.