(March 12, 2014 at 5:46 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: And so, he/ she, with no evidence to back his/ her claims, bows out of any REAL discussion.

Yes I still see you online, 'slice' you're clearly very uneducated and can believe what you want. Don't start screaming at science when things go amiss. Also you were born in 1957? The very year that Jonas Salk created the first successful vaccine for Polio?

Well done.

Well her vac. certainly didn't help me, plus polio was fading out when that vac. was first tried, and everyone thought it was the polio vac that saved the day.

But you don't?

Do you think the polio vaccine prevents polio?

(March 12, 2014 at 6:07 am)Jacob(smooth) Wrote:

(March 12, 2014 at 5:39 am)psychoslice Wrote: Na, I've already told you how I feel, I'm not going to go on and on just for your amusement, believe what you want, and I'll believe what I want, and a big goodnight to you all.

Hey, I go to bed and you have your argument without me .

Go if you must. But if you can manage just one answer for me I'd be very grateful. It's very simple, a yes or no answer to help me understand your position. It is professionally relevant to me so it helps me to understand where people who hold your views are coming from.

Do you believe that the polio vaccine prevents people from getting polio?

Well it can look as if it does prevent polio, but as I said, polio was fading out at the time the vac. came out.

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(March 12, 2014 at 8:39 am)Esquilax Wrote:

(March 12, 2014 at 4:15 am)psychoslice Wrote: Well my darling little girl, I am 57, and I have also plenty of youtube evidence as I already have shown, and there are many many more. I admit that vaccination may have something good in it, but there are so many, there's a vaccination coming out for just about everything you can think of, and this is what I am really on about. Even animals are being vaccinated more than ever, and hello!, their also starting to develop cancers more than ever, and all of this is for the dollar, the mighty dollar. Surly you must see some truth in this, as I can see some truth in what you are saying /.

One hundred percent of people who get vaccinated will die. Therefore, vaccines cause death. Therefore, the fact that there are more vaccines means that people are dying overlapping deaths.

Vaccines cause double, sometimes triple deaths. By your logic, this is also true.

You fool, does everyone die from smoking related disease, so of course everyone isn't going to die from vac., but there will be many who will.

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Just a question, has there been medications that have killed many people, and then withdrawn?.

Y'know, I keep hearing that one line from anti-vaxers: "That disease was on its way out anyway." That's how they respond whenever someone points out that X disease virtually disappeared after a vaccine for it was introduced. I know the line 'correlation does not mean causation,' but in this case, I think the correlation might just mean causation. Specifically, the disease wasn't on its way out until a vaccine came along and kicked it the fuck out. I mean, smallpox was still a serious enough concern that people were really scared of it when Edward Jenner basically pioneered the idea of vaccines. After he got done with it, the disease was just a memory of a less rational time.

As for people being hurt or killed with vaccines, I haven't seen any stats on that, yet. I wouldn't be surprised if it killed someone; I mean, after all, there's enough biological diversity that there are people out there who are alergic to water. But I'd be more than willin to bet that the number of people who have died from vaccines is much MUCH lower than the number of people who have died from not getting a vaccine.

(March 12, 2014 at 5:33 pm)psychoslice Wrote: Just a question, has there been medications that have killed many people, and then withdrawn?.

Medication =/= vaccine. And yes. And if a vaccine were proven to have dangerous effects, it would be withdrawn too.

They haven't.

(March 12, 2014 at 5:46 pm)TaraJo Wrote: Y'know, I keep hearing that one line from anti-vaxers: "That disease was on its way out anyway." That's how they respond whenever someone points out that X disease virtually disappeared after a vaccine for it was introduced. I know the line 'correlation does not mean causation,' but in this case, I think the correlation might just mean causation. Specifically, the disease wasn't on its way out until a vaccine came along and kicked it the fuck out.

As for people being hurt or killed with vaccines, I haven't seen any stats on that, yet. I wouldn't be surprised if it killed someone; I mean, after all, there's enough biological diversity that there are people out there who are alergic to water. But I'd be more than willin to bet that the number of people who have died from vaccines is much MUCH lower than the number of people who have died from not getting a vaccine.

So you believe that no medication has killed anyone, that is because of the medication?.

(March 12, 2014 at 5:49 pm)psychoslice Wrote: So you believe that no medication has killed anyone, that is because of the medication?.

"Medication" is not synonymous with "vaccine" - a few medications have been known to kill people, and then they've been taken off the market. Vaccines have not been known to kill people, so they are still in use.

(March 12, 2014 at 5:48 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote:

(March 12, 2014 at 5:33 pm)psychoslice Wrote: Just a question, has there been medications that have killed many people, and then withdrawn?.

Medication =/= vaccine. And yes. And if a vaccine were proven to have dangerous effects, it would be withdrawn too.

They haven't.

So you believe that all vac. Have been perfectly made, without any advers affects?.

(March 12, 2014 at 5:49 pm)psychoslice Wrote: So you believe that no medication has killed anyone, that is because of the medication?.

Read my earlier post again, psychoslice.

(March 12, 2014 at 5:46 pm)TaraJo Wrote: As for people being hurt or killed with vaccines, I haven't seen any stats on that, yet. I wouldn't be surprised if it killed someone; I mean, after all, there's enough biological diversity that there are people out there who are alergic to water. But I'd be more than willin to bet that the number of people who have died from vaccines is much MUCH lower than the number of people who have died from not getting a vaccine.

For those of you who may be too thick to understand what I'm saying, no, people probably have gotten sick and died from medication and/or vaccines. But those numbers are almost certainly very small compared to the number of people who have died because we didn't have medication or vaccines. I mean, think about it: in 2012, 1.6 million people died from AIDS. If we had a vaccine for it or a medication that could cure it, I would have gladly given it to them, even if 1,000 or so people died.

(March 12, 2014 at 5:51 pm)futilethewinds Wrote:

(March 12, 2014 at 5:49 pm)psychoslice Wrote: So you believe that no medication has killed anyone, that is because of the medication?.

"Medication" is not synonymous with "vaccine" - a few medications have been known to kill people, and then they've been taken off the market. Vaccines have not been known to kill people, so they are still in use.

Come on you surly don't believe that crap, I can admit that there could be some use in vac., but you hold dearly to what you believe and nothing will shift that lol.