(March 13, 2014 at 10:10 pm)Minimalist Wrote: More likely dribbling out of his ass.

Are we talking about Santorum now?

Essentially.

(March 13, 2014 at 10:06 pm)Revelation777 Wrote:

(March 13, 2014 at 11:10 am)Kitanetos Wrote: Attributing an idea to your life changing experience does not make the idea real. People daily change their lives for the better in secular ways, but they are not ignorantly attributing the constructs which changed them to deific hogwash.

That may be true that people can better their lives, but no man can rid their sin by the best of efforts. Only Jesus' sacrifice can pay the price for our sins.

Hardly a sacrifice.

Deity-man suffers three days of pain, as extreme as it may have been, and then becomes emperor of the universe.

A sacrifice would have been dying and staying dead - no more consciousness, no more existence.

And the standard question applies: Why would an all powerful deity need a blood sacrifice to itself to change its own rules?

Quote: Only Jesus' sacrifice can pay the price for our sins.

Jesus can blow my sins out his ass.

(March 13, 2014 at 5:57 pm)Napoléon Wrote:

(March 13, 2014 at 5:49 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: If David Blaine whispered that in everyone's head would you think he was God?

It'd be a damn sight more convincing than some elaborate plan of impregnating a virgin in the middle east and mind controlling the offspring to spread some hippy message of love before being sacrificed for all of humanity and then supposedly being resurrected but no one really saw it but we have to 'believe' blah blah blah bollocks bollocks bollocks.

There's better ways to communicate the message across than what god's apparently tried, and if I can think of a few then he's either deliberately being vague, he's shit at communicating, or, maybe, just maybe, HE DOESN'T FUCKING EXIST AND IT'S ALL A LOAD OF SHIT.

You mean "YES".

(March 14, 2014 at 1:38 am)fr0d0 Wrote:

(March 13, 2014 at 5:57 pm)Napoléon Wrote: It'd be a damn sight more convincing than some elaborate plan of impregnating a virgin in the middle east and mind controlling the offspring to spread some hippy message of love before being sacrificed for all of humanity and then supposedly being resurrected but no one really saw it but we have to 'believe' blah blah blah bollocks bollocks bollocks.

There's better ways to communicate the message across than what god's apparently tried, and if I can think of a few then he's either deliberately being vague, he's shit at communicating, or, maybe, just maybe, HE DOESN'T FUCKING EXIST AND IT'S ALL A LOAD OF SHIT.

You mean "YES".

That's how Christians think. You tell yourself God is responsible for virtually every happenstance (except the bad stuff, duh, that's man's fault), irregular or not, because your minds are convinced that your unjustified preconceptions about reality are confirmed by just about any occurrence that mystifies you. If David Blaine whispered in everyone's year, the intelligent next questions to ask would be, "What the hell is going on? How is this happening?" Not "OH MY GAWD IT IS GAWD!!" The entire notion that God can't physical or verbally commune with us until we're dead and float up to heaven has no rational basis whatsoever. If our relationship with God is somehow "more intimate" in heaven, the almighty should be able to simply come down from his high horse and walk among us here (oh yeah, I forgot he did that 2,000 years ago in a small fishing town in Palestine...makes a lot sense).

(March 13, 2014 at 4:53 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Are there not things written down in History books and Science books that you have never seen but you believe it? What if the people who wrote those books made it all up?

It is true that there are many things we accept about the past on face value, though I suspect that aside from religious claims, people only accept those claims that sound reasonable. The lives of many historic figures that have little written evidence do not speak of supernatural events, and in the cases where they do those parts are normally rejected. You accept the claims of miracles performed by Jesus because they appear in ancient writings. Do you also accept the claims of miracles performed by Vespasian because they appear in ancient writings? If not, why not?

(March 10, 2014 at 10:26 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Not that you believe, but let's just say that you lived and witness Jesus as He is described in Scripture. Out of curiosity, you listened to Him speak, you saw him heal, you witnessed the miracles, etc. How would you of reacted?

If he came to my town I would put him up for the weekend.

(March 14, 2014 at 6:01 am)Cato Wrote:

(March 10, 2014 at 10:26 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Not that you believe, but let's just say that you lived and witness Jesus as He is described in Scripture. Out of curiosity, you listened to Him speak, you saw him heal, you witnessed the miracles, etc. How would you of reacted?

If he came to my town I would put him up for the weekend.

And the pisshead would turn everything into wine and end up getting nailed.

(March 13, 2014 at 11:26 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote: Only Jesus' sacrifice can pay the price for our sins.

Jesus can blow my sins out his ass.

According to Jesus freaks he already did just that. Why the hell must we do anything if he already paid the price? "I already paid off all your debts, but the boss will still break your legs unless you kiss his ass for the rest of your life." -Jesus