(March 10, 2014 at 10:42 pm)Napoléon Wrote: AWhy doesn't god just whisper in everyone's head simultaneously and say, "I'm here douchebags".

If David Blaine whispered that in everyone's head would you think he was God?

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(March 11, 2014 at 12:46 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Who knows? I'd probably be ignorant, illiterate, and uneducated.

I don't have that excuse so much today.

lol

(March 13, 2014 at 5:49 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: If David Blaine whispered that in everyone's head would you think he was God?

It'd be a damn sight more convincing than some elaborate plan of impregnating a virgin in the middle east and mind controlling the offspring to spread some hippy message of love before being sacrificed for all of humanity and then supposedly being resurrected but no one really saw it but we have to 'believe' blah blah blah bollocks bollocks bollocks.

There's better ways to communicate the message across than what god's apparently tried, and if I can think of a few then he's either deliberately being vague, he's shit at communicating, or, maybe, just maybe, HE DOESN'T FUCKING EXIST AND IT'S ALL A LOAD OF SHIT.

(March 13, 2014 at 5:57 pm)Napoléon Wrote:

(March 13, 2014 at 5:49 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: If David Blaine whispered that in everyone's head would you think he was God?

It'd be a damn sight more convincing than some elaborate plan of impregnating a virgin in the middle east and mind controlling the offspring to spread some hippy message of love before being sacrificed for all of humanity and then supposedly being resurrected but no one really saw it but we have to 'believe' blah blah blah bollocks bollocks bollocks.

There's better ways to communicate the message across than what god's apparently tried, and if I can think of a few then he's either deliberately being vague, he's shit at communicating, or, maybe, just maybe, HE DOESN'T FUCKING EXIST AND IT'S ALL A LOAD OF SHIT.

Don't you guys know? God does talk to us. Everyday. Mormons, New Agers (sorry, I meant "Universal Consciousness"), Muslims, Christians (the real "god" of course). They all commune with God. Just ask them.

(March 13, 2014 at 5:49 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:

(March 10, 2014 at 10:42 pm)Napoléon Wrote: AWhy doesn't god just whisper in everyone's head simultaneously and say, "I'm here douchebags".

If David Blaine whispered that in everyone's head would you think he was God?

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(March 11, 2014 at 12:46 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Who knows? I'd probably be ignorant, illiterate, and uneducated.

I don't have that excuse so much today.

lol

As intelligent as we appear to be today, we are one button push away from being annihilated, tens of thousands die from hunger each day, and our country is in so much debt we can hardly manage paying just the interest on it.

(March 13, 2014 at 9:53 pm)Revelation777 Wrote:

(March 13, 2014 at 5:49 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: If David Blaine whispered that in everyone's head would you think he was God?

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lol

As intelligent as we appear to be today, we are one button push away from being annihilated, tens of thousands die from hunger each day, and our country is in so much debt we can hardly manage paying just the interest on it.

Makes me wonder where this deity is . . .?

(March 13, 2014 at 5:35 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:

(March 13, 2014 at 4:53 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Are there not things written down in History books and Science books that you have never seen but you believe it? What if the people who wrote those books made it all up?

They could have made it all up. That's why historians don't treat something from a single source as settled fact. They look for other sources that corroborate the claim. This is precisely what the story of Jesus lacks.

(March 13, 2014 at 4:53 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Maybe that is why Jesus said, blessed are those who believe and have not seen.

To get people to believe his story with insufficient evidence by promising a cookie for people who do (the cookie itself also to be believed in on insufficient evidence). That doesn't sound much like the supernatural claims of any other religion except all of them.

(March 13, 2014 at 4:53 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Don't put the Lord God to the test. He has done far greater miracles than that.

And the longer ago they were (and thus harder to verify) the greater they were. Creating the universe, creating life, creating humans, drowning the world, stopping the sun, causing plagues, raining mana, raising the dead, healing the sick, walking on water, appearing on toast...anyone else see a pattern here? Even if you grant the existence of God, he seems to be running out of steam.

(March 13, 2014 at 4:53 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Quite an impact Jesus made,,,don't see many others who turned the world upside down with their life.

Not many. Siddhartha, Mohammed (catching up even though Christians had an 800 year head-start), a few others. He had an impact, although the emperor Constantine seems to have had as much to do with that as Jesus did.

(March 13, 2014 at 4:53 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: I could be the best debater in the world and convince no one, but a hard heart will likely reject the truth of Jesus Christ.

Have you ever thought about how really convenient that excuse is?

Jesus predicted that there would be a great turning away. That people would abandon sound doctrines and follow fables. That many will choose the broad road to destruction.

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(March 13, 2014 at 11:08 am)Revelation777 Wrote:

(March 13, 2014 at 10:37 am)JesusHChrist Wrote: Believing is not knowing. "Believing" is a flawed epistemic approach.

Humans over the centuries have believed many things that can be dismissed as nonsense. Spring heel Jack for instance. Why are their beliefs any less valid than yours?

The only valid process we've found to date to filter nonsense from reality is by examining the evidence.

The only evidence Christians have is a collection of doctored, 1st-3rd century propaganda mushed together with Jewish mythology. Hardly compelling.

And lastly, "many others" believing something has zero bearing on its truth. "Many others" are Muslims/Hindus/Mormons et al, and yet as a Christian, you think they are believing incorrectly. You see the flaw in that line of thinking?

Bare assertions will get you nowhere.

Not everything can be explained scientifically, especially when it comes to faith. I don't need empirical evidence that He existed when I know how he changed my life and many others.

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(March 12, 2014 at 10:35 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: That's too funny (pathetic). The only evidence is what some unknown guys wrote about an unknown guy in a book. It's like believing in the Lone Ranger riding around Texas shooting silver bullets on a pure white stallion with a black mask around his eyes in the hot Texas sun with an Indian by his side on a pinto horse.

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His family didn't believe him so why so I be more gullible than them?

His brother James and His mother did.

I don't think it is pathetic that I believe what I believe. God took a dozen unknown guys and used them to turn the world upside down. Pretty amazing.

Quote:I could be the best debater in the world and convince no one, but a hard heart will likely reject the truth of Jesus Christ.

A great salesman could not sell a shit sandwich on rye with mayonnaise.

(March 13, 2014 at 11:10 am)Kitanetos Wrote:

(March 13, 2014 at 11:08 am)Revelation777 Wrote: I don't need empirical evidence that He existed when I know how he changed my life and many others.

Attributing an idea to your life changing experience does not make the idea real. People daily change their lives for the better in secular ways, but they are not ignorantly attributing the constructs which changed them to deific hogwash.

That may be true that people can better their lives, but no man can rid their sin by the best of efforts. Only Jesus' sacrifice can pay the price for our sins.

(March 13, 2014 at 10:06 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: That may be true that people can better their lives, but no man can rid their sin by the best of efforts. Only Jesus' sacrifice can pay the price for our sins.

Do you practice these lines, or do they just dribble out from your brain randomly?

More likely dribbling out of his ass.