(March 18, 2014 at 1:09 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote:

(March 18, 2014 at 12:38 am)psychoslice Wrote: I think we all make our own world, everyone has there own concept of what the world is, at the end of the day everything is subjective, what is out there is part of all that is connected, we only see what we are able to see through our senses. But the Cosmos cannot be reduced to what we think it should be, or how we think it works, of course we can find a lot out, but again its only what our senses allows us, beyond that, WE KNOW NOTHING.

I feel that there are some who can sense what is beyond the mind, after all we are all connected, this experience is then put into the best language that we can use, the experience is beyond the mind, and so we can only use metaphors, and pointers that point another to that which was experienced.

I think most atheist miss out on this experience, for the reason that they are too much into the mind, if there is anything else that is above the mind they will always miss out. Yes so we need to keep an open mind and not a closed mind.

You're saying that there's sensual experiences outside of the mind? Where do those reside? In invisible jars tied to the ears? All experiences begin in the mind but not all descriptions of these experiences are equally helpful in understanding their structures or root causes. That's what science is for. It cuts through everyone's BS.

Science may think they cut through the bullshit, but what they end up with is their own bullshit, that is proven through their own conclusions, of what bullshit they have already discovered, in the end its all bullshit. This bullshit only has meaning to us as humans, but the fact is we as humans can never know what is beyond the bullshit, we are really, stuck in bullshit.

(March 18, 2014 at 1:14 am)psychoslice Wrote:

(March 18, 2014 at 1:09 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: You're saying that there's sensual experiences outside of the mind? Where do those reside? In invisible jars tied to the ears? All experiences begin in the mind but not all descriptions of these experiences are equally helpful in understanding their structures or root causes. That's what science is for. It cuts through everyone's BS.

Science may think they cut through the bullshit, but what they end up with is their own bullshit, that is proven through their own conclusions, of what bullshit they have already discovered, in the end its all bullshit. This bullshit only has meaning to us as humans, but the fact is we as humans can never know what is beyond the bullshit, we are really, stuck in bullshit.

What a bunch of bullshit you just said.

(March 18, 2014 at 1:15 am)tor Wrote:

(March 18, 2014 at 1:14 am)psychoslice Wrote: Science may think they cut through the bullshit, but what they end up with is their own bullshit, that is proven through their own conclusions, of what bullshit they have already discovered, in the end its all bullshit. This bullshit only has meaning to us as humans, but the fact is we as humans can never know what is beyond the bullshit, we are really, stuck in bullshit.

What a bunch of bullshit you just said.

That's it, its all bullshit, as long as we believe we can know everything through our limited mere minds.

(March 18, 2014 at 1:20 am)psychoslice Wrote:

(March 18, 2014 at 1:15 am)tor Wrote: What a bunch of bullshit you just said.

That's it, its all bullshit, as long as we believe we can know everything through our limited mere minds.

Do you know that earth is a sphere or not?

(March 18, 2014 at 1:24 am)tor Wrote:

(March 18, 2014 at 1:20 am)psychoslice Wrote: That's it, its all bullshit, as long as we believe we can know everything through our limited mere minds.

Do you know that earth is a sphere or not?

It doesn't matter to me, we are here and whatever it is doesn't concern me.

(March 18, 2014 at 1:29 am)psychoslice Wrote:

(March 18, 2014 at 1:24 am)tor Wrote: Do you know that earth is a sphere or not?

It doesn't matter to me, we are here and whatever it is doesn't concern me.

I say the earth is a sphere and is NOT flat. Did I say bullshit right now?

And if someone says that the earth is flat and NOT a sphere which one of us is telling the truth?

(March 18, 2014 at 1:30 am)tor Wrote:

(March 18, 2014 at 1:29 am)psychoslice Wrote: It doesn't matter to me, we are here and whatever it is doesn't concern me.

I say the earth is a sphere and is NOT flat. Did I say bullshit right now?

Yes you did, why even say it is a sphere, its what it is, I don't argue if its flat or not, but yes to those who are concerned, it maybe knowledge that they will like to know, that is knowledge from our senses, its only one level of knowledge, there is much more to it than that, this is why I don't want to answer you question in the way you would like me to.

(March 18, 2014 at 1:35 am)psychoslice Wrote:

(March 18, 2014 at 1:30 am)tor Wrote: I say the earth is a sphere and is NOT flat. Did I say bullshit right now?

Yes you did, why even say it is a sphere, its what it is, I don't argue if its flat or not, but yes to those who are concerned, it maybe knowledge that they will like to know, that is knowledge from our senses, its only one level of knowledge, there is much more to it than that, this is why I don't want to answer you question in the way you would like me to.

Do you have any other way of knowing things other than senses?

(March 18, 2014 at 1:36 am)tor Wrote:

(March 18, 2014 at 1:35 am)psychoslice Wrote: Yes you did, why even say it is a sphere, its what it is, I don't argue if its flat or not, but yes to those who are concerned, it maybe knowledge that they will like to know, that is knowledge from our senses, its only one level of knowledge, there is much more to it than that, this is why I don't want to answer you question in the way you would like me to.

Do you have any other way of knowing things other than senses?

Yes I have, but in the end it all comes through the senses, so what I experience beyond the senses can never be conceptualized, NEVER.

(March 18, 2014 at 1:44 am)psychoslice Wrote:

(March 18, 2014 at 1:36 am)tor Wrote: Do you have any other way of knowing things other than senses?

Yes I have, but in the end it all comes through the senses, so what I experience beyond the senses can never be conceptualized, NEVER.

Which means we both can only know world through our senses.
So I say that this forum exists. Am I telling the truth?