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The theory is more than flawed, it is false.
As I stated- a scientific method goes like: we did this, we got that.
Demonstrating a real result. Tangibility.
If you have a theory- you need to show demonstrable results from your test.
We are testing bearings.
We make an actual change. We document the OBSERVED change. We decide if that change was beneficial to our desire.
That is how the entire world of engineering works and has worked since time began .
The theory of E has none of that. It has grand guesses.
It has supposed results from uncertain starting points.
Calling what we do in engineering "Evolution" is very convenient for the promoters of the theory.
Giving it a connection to the real world by association.
Is it a Conspiracy?
The very word means:" to breathe the same air". Con = "with" and Spirit= "Breath".
That word has been intentionally maligned to protect the guilty.
A football huddle would be a perfect example.
No one calls that a conspiracy, but by definition, it is.
Unlike certain high level groups, the people breathing the same scientific air do not have evil intent.
They are more like a high school clique.
Having position, having power, having financial security.
The last thing they will do is break rank.
Historically, only by extreme pressure has this type of group ever relented to let go of long standing dogma.
When someone with credentials calls them out- the historical pattern is followed.
The dissenter is maligned, his sanity or honesty is questioned.
It is more than a clique.
It is a cult.
I think you're a Poe. Oh, and here's some light humor for you.
March 18, 2014 at 7:57 pm (This post was last modified: March 18, 2014 at 7:58 pm by discipulus.)
(March 18, 2014 at 5:35 pm)Bad Writer Wrote: Evolution doesn't have to explain how life began in the first place, but thank you for demonstrating your blatant misunderstanding of evolution to everyone reading this thread.
People that are atheists who believe the T.E.N.S to be an accurate explanation for biological diversity must also give an account of how biological life began in the fist place. Creationists attempts this. Metaphysical naturalists also attempt this with their various theories. They (naturalistic theories) are all lacking in explanatory power for the aforementioned reason(s).
(March 18, 2014 at 7:43 pm)professor Wrote: The theory is more than flawed, it is false.
As I stated- a scientific method goes like: we did this, we got that.
Demonstrating a real result. Tangibility.
If you have a theory- you need to show demonstrable results from your test.
We are testing bearings.
We make an actual change. We document the OBSERVED change. We decide if that change was beneficial to our desire.
That is how the entire world of engineering works and has worked since time began .
The theory of E has none of that. It has grand guesses.
It has supposed results from uncertain starting points.
Calling what we do in engineering "Evolution" is very convenient for the promoters of the theory.
Giving it a connection to the real world by association.
Is it a Conspiracy?
The very word means:" to breathe the same air". Con = "with" and Spirit= "Breath".
That word has been intentionally maligned to protect the guilty.
A football huddle would be a perfect example.
No one calls that a conspiracy, but by definition, it is.
Unlike certain high level groups, the people breathing the same scientific air do not have evil intent.
They are more like a high school clique.
Having position, having power, having financial security.
The last thing they will do is break rank.
Historically, only by extreme pressure has this type of group ever relented to let go of long standing dogma.
When someone with credentials calls them out- the historical pattern is followed.
The dissenter is maligned, his sanity or honesty is questioned.
It is more than a clique.
It is a cult.
The irony is here, that you are describing for the most part, religion.
March 18, 2014 at 8:19 pm (This post was last modified: March 18, 2014 at 8:23 pm by discipulus.)
(March 18, 2014 at 7:02 pm)jesus_wept Wrote: I think you may have missed my point. Which is that while evolution might be "just a theory", creationism isnt even a theory. It's a failed hypothesis at best.
And how life began in the first place is largely irrelevant to the theory of evolution because, whether you believe life on earth was seeded by cosmic garbage or the hand of god, it doesn't change the theory of evolution one bit. Evolution does present quite a hurdle to the mankind was created in god's image types though.
If your worldview cannot account for the origin of life, the very thing that is a prerequisite for evolution in the first place, then as I stated earlier, Creationism is superior in explanatory scope and power.
(March 18, 2014 at 6:30 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: False dichotomy with special pleading. There is no such dilemma as "if evolution is mistaken, then my personal creation mythology is true."
Come on, kid. Take an intro to logic class and pick up a book sometime.
I think you may have meant to post this to someone else's post. It certainly is not pertinent to what I wrote to Deidre.
(March 18, 2014 at 6:15 pm)Deidre32 Wrote: I did. Your refusal to accept it becomes your problem, not mine. Such is life in religion.
You did?
Where?
(March 18, 2014 at 6:15 pm)Deidre32 Wrote: You did. In post #92. (calling adhering to scienctific truths to be 'scientism')
Where did I call adhering to scientific truths scientism?
March 18, 2014 at 8:24 pm (This post was last modified: March 18, 2014 at 8:25 pm by Bob Kelso.)
(March 18, 2014 at 7:57 pm)discipulus Wrote:
(March 18, 2014 at 5:35 pm)Bad Writer Wrote: Evolution doesn't have to explain how life began in the first place, but thank you for demonstrating your blatant misunderstanding of evolution to everyone reading this thread.
People that are atheists who believe the T.E.N.S to be an accurate explanation for biological diversity must also give an account of how biological life began in the fist place. Creationists attempts this. Metaphysical naturalists also attempt this with their various theories. They (naturalistic theories) are all lacking in explanatory power for the aforementioned reason(s).
*bold and italics added by me*
Except that no, no they fucking do not. Evolution does not give a reason for life's existence because that is not what evolution is about.
Creationists make shit up.
(September 17, 2015 at 4:04 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: I make change in the coin tendered. If you want courteous treatment, behave courteously. Preaching at me and calling me immoral is not courteous behavior.
(March 18, 2014 at 5:35 pm)Bad Writer Wrote: Evolution doesn't have to explain how life began in the first place, but thank you for demonstrating your blatant misunderstanding of evolution to everyone reading this thread.
People that are atheists who believe the T.E.N.S to be an accurate explanation for biological diversity must also give an account of how biological life began in the fist place.
Did I mention anything anywhere about the T.E.N.S. unit? No.
So if I don't know how biological life began, why does that mean your answer is the correct one?
discipulus Wrote:Creationists attempts this.
Finding facts to fit your preconceived conclusion is a piss poor attempt.
Quote:Metaphysical naturalists also attempt this with their various theories. They (naturalistic theories) are all lacking in explanatory power for the aforementioned reason(s).
What do you mean by "reason(s)"? Did you list one or many? Either your memory is very lacking, or you're just very bad at conveying your point and tying your thoughts together into something coherent.
Again, what makes the creationist model correct? Because you say it is? Have you even looked at the evidence? My guess is no.
The link does not address the points I made in my post to you.
(March 18, 2014 at 5:59 pm)Deidre32 Wrote: Secondly. Again. Genesis illustrates a story about how a god supposedly created the world, in its present form.
In its present form? Why do you say that?
(March 18, 2014 at 5:59 pm)Deidre32 Wrote: Genesis doesn't discuss an evolutionary 'process,' whatsoever. That IS the argument. Genesis is a story, whether you believe it to be literal or not, about the origin of mankind that has nothing at all to do with evolution.
Ok.....
How does that support your assertion that the T.E.N.S is evidence that the Bible is nonsense?
(March 18, 2014 at 5:59 pm)Deidre32 Wrote: Evolution serves as proof that the Genesis story is either a total lie or a fable based on the wild imagination of man to make some sense out of how he came to be, and his surroundings. The fact that you see it as more than that, is based on faith, not logic. You are not logically a Christian.
The theory of evolution by natural selection is a theory Deidre. It is not proof of anything.
But let us grant for a moment that it is true. How would this make the Genesis account a total lie or a fable?
(March 18, 2014 at 5:59 pm)Deidre32 Wrote: You are a Christian out of blind faith.
Really? How do you know this?
(March 18, 2014 at 5:59 pm)Deidre32 Wrote: This is why you debate science,
A person cannot debate science. A person can only debate another person.
(March 18, 2014 at 5:59 pm)Deidre32 Wrote: because your world view is no longer based in reality, but rather based in hopes, and wishful thinking.
Bald assertions with no support. Go on....
(March 18, 2014 at 5:59 pm)Deidre32 Wrote: That's the problem with religion. It causes a person to fight for a reality that doesn't exist, instead of the reality that does.
Another bald assertion...
(March 18, 2014 at 5:59 pm)Deidre32 Wrote: I'm trying to be charitable about this, but it disappoints me so, when I see people argue against what is true, because they can't bear looking at their faith and religion, and seeing it perhaps for what it is.
I think I can respond to your post, ironically, by using your own words....
(March 18, 2014 at 5:59 pm)Deidre32 Wrote: This is nothing but your opinion.
(March 18, 2014 at 8:28 pm)Bad Writer Wrote:
(March 18, 2014 at 7:57 pm)discipulus Wrote: People that are atheists who believe the T.E.N.S to be an accurate explanation for biological diversity must also give an account of how biological life began in the fist place.
Did I mention anything anywhere about the T.E.N.S. unit? No.
So if I don't know how biological life began, why does that mean your answer is the correct one?
That is not my reasoning. I have never said that since naturalists cannot account for the origin of life that therefore creationism is true.
(March 18, 2014 at 8:28 pm)Bad Writer Wrote: What do you mean by "reason(s)"? Did you list one or many? Either your memory is very lacking, or you're just very bad at conveying your point and tying your thoughts together into something coherent.
Reference my post number #87
(March 18, 2014 at 8:28 pm)Bad Writer Wrote: Again, what makes the creationist model correct? Because you say it is? Have you even looked at the evidence? My guess is no.
discipulus >> Before I address your questions, if you don't refute evolution, why are we debating all of this? What do you hope to accomplish? That *may* help me understand your line of questioning. You tend to answer others' questions with either questions, or non answers...so...that's why I ask.
(March 18, 2014 at 7:57 pm)discipulus Wrote: People that are atheists who believe the T.E.N.S to be an accurate explanation for biological diversity must also give an account of how biological life began in the fist place. Creationists attempts this. Metaphysical naturalists also attempt this with their various theories. They (naturalistic theories) are all lacking in explanatory power for the aforementioned reason(s).
*bold and italics added by me*
Except that no, no they fucking do not. Evolution does not give a reason for life's existence because that is not what evolution is about.
March 18, 2014 at 8:40 pm (This post was last modified: March 18, 2014 at 8:41 pm by Chas.)
(March 18, 2014 at 8:19 pm)discipulus Wrote:
(March 18, 2014 at 7:02 pm)jesus_wept Wrote: I think you may have missed my point. Which is that while evolution might be "just a theory", creationism isnt even a theory. It's a failed hypothesis at best.
And how life began in the first place is largely irrelevant to the theory of evolution because, whether you believe life on earth was seeded by cosmic garbage or the hand of god, it doesn't change the theory of evolution one bit. Evolution does present quite a hurdle to the mankind was created in god's image types though.
If your worldview cannot account for the origin of life, the very thing that is a prerequisite for evolution in the first place, then as I stated earlier, Creationism is superior in explanatory scope and power.
(March 18, 2014 at 6:30 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: False dichotomy with special pleading. There is no such dilemma as "if evolution is mistaken, then my personal creation mythology is true."
Come on, kid. Take an intro to logic class and pick up a book sometime.
I think you may have meant to post this to someone else's post. It certainly is not pertinent to what I wrote to Deidre.
(March 18, 2014 at 6:15 pm)Deidre32 Wrote: I did. Your refusal to accept it becomes your problem, not mine. Such is life in religion.
You did?
Where?
(March 18, 2014 at 6:15 pm)Deidre32 Wrote: You did. In post #92. (calling adhering to scienctific truths to be 'scientism')
Where did I call adhering to scientific truths scientism?
Again, you demonstrate that you do not understand the scientific method AND you do not know how to take "we don't know" as an answer.
Evolution does not include the origin of life, it explains change, diversity, and speciation. Creationism has absolutely no explanatory power, it does not qualify as a theory.
Grow up.
Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
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