(March 19, 2014 at 8:32 am)tor Wrote:

(March 19, 2014 at 8:31 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: My objection is that I value sentient beings.

They don't like people they want to burn. Are they wrong simply because you don't like it?

From my perspective, yes.

(March 19, 2014 at 8:34 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote:

(March 19, 2014 at 8:32 am)tor Wrote: They don't like people they want to burn. Are they wrong simply because you don't like it?

From my perspective, yes.

That's some scary shit. You can't say that sending people to hell is wrong either.

(March 19, 2014 at 8:35 am)tor Wrote:

(March 19, 2014 at 8:34 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: From my perspective, yes.

That's some scary shit. You can't say that sending people to hell is wrong either.

Isn't that how moral judgements have always been enforced?

Of course I can. Because I value sentient beings.

(March 19, 2014 at 8:36 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote:

(March 19, 2014 at 8:35 am)tor Wrote: That's some scary shit. You can't say that sending people to hell is wrong either.

Isn't that how moral judgements have always been enforced?

Yeah but if I have no power and somebody is torturing me at least I can say it's objectively wrong even though he has more power than I do he is still wrong.
And if somebody is torturing you all you can say is "I don't like it but it's just my opinion" LOOOOL

(March 19, 2014 at 8:38 am)tor Wrote:

(March 19, 2014 at 8:36 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: Isn't that how moral judgements have always been enforced?

Yeah but if I have no power and somebody is torturing me at least I can say it's objectively wrong even though he has more power than I do he is still wrong.
And if somebody is torturing you all you can say is "I don't like it but it's just my opinion" LOOOOL

Oh I'm sure saying, "I believe it is OBJECTIVELY wrong!" will be mightily convincing to your torturer.

It will not convince him but I think burning people alive is something more than just a matter of opinion.

(March 19, 2014 at 8:41 am)tor Wrote: It will not convince him but I think burning people alive is not just a matter of opinion.

Great. But unless you demonstrate otherwise, it is.

(March 19, 2014 at 8:42 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote:

(March 19, 2014 at 8:41 am)tor Wrote: It will not convince him but I think burning people alive is not just a matter of opinion.

Great. But unless you demonstrate otherwise, it is.

You think everybody failed to do it so far?

(March 19, 2014 at 8:44 am)tor Wrote:

(March 19, 2014 at 8:42 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: Great. But unless you demonstrate otherwise, it is.

You think everybody failed to do it so far?

I didn't see any one argue that moral duties are like numbers.

Yeah but some people think numbers are subjective. You don't agree with them do you?