(March 19, 2014 at 8:50 am)tor Wrote: Yeah but some people think numbers are subjective. You don't agree with them do you?

I don't think so but I'm not really clear as to what that means.

1 + 1 = 2. Objective and not opinion. Right?

(March 19, 2014 at 8:53 am)tor Wrote: 1 + 1 = 2. Objective and not opinion. Right?

It depends on what you actually mean to represent by 1 or 2 but considering their commonly accepted meanings, yes that is intrinsically/objectively true.

(March 19, 2014 at 8:56 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote:

(March 19, 2014 at 8:53 am)tor Wrote: 1 + 1 = 2. Objective and not opinion. Right?

It depends on what you actually mean to represent by 1 or 2 but considering their commonly accepted meanings, yes that is intrinsically/objectively true.

Yeah and drinking battery acid is objectivally unhealthy and burning people alive is objectivally wrong.

(March 19, 2014 at 8:22 am)tor Wrote: For instance burning people alive is objectively wrong in almost all situations

I don't think objective means what you think it means.

(March 19, 2014 at 9:04 am)bennyboy Wrote:

(March 19, 2014 at 8:22 am)tor Wrote: For instance burning people alive is objectively wrong in almost all situations

I don't think objective means what you think it means.

Ok what does it mean?

(March 19, 2014 at 8:58 am)tor Wrote: Yeah and drinking battery acid is objectivally unhealthy and burning people alive is objectivally wrong.

Yes, but good health is not objectively important, and you have not yet actually demonstrated that something is objectively wrong with burning people alive. I really don't want to insult you, but I don't think you know what "objective" means in relation to "subjective." It does not mean "Commonly held among most people."

That's your argument? You have defined burning people as objectively wrong but you haven't demonstrated why this is objectively true for anyone else. Numbers, on the other hand, simply represent the properties of external objects. Those external properties don't change when you fail to order them numerically.

(March 19, 2014 at 9:05 am)tor Wrote:

(March 19, 2014 at 9:04 am)bennyboy Wrote: I don't think objective means what you think it means.

Ok what does it mean?

It means the more is not dependent on the whims, predilections, opinions, authority, or world view of the people holding it.

(March 19, 2014 at 9:09 am)bennyboy Wrote:

(March 19, 2014 at 8:58 am)tor Wrote: Yeah and drinking battery acid is objectivally unhealthy and burning people alive is objectivally wrong.

Yes, but good health is not objectively important, and you have not yet actually demonstrated that something is objectively wrong with burning people alive. I really don't want to insult you, but I don't think you know what "objective" means in relation to "subjective." It does not mean "Commonly held among most people."

What does it mean then?
I think burning people alive is wrong even if nobody agrees with me. Truth is independent from what opinions of the majority.
Also morality is situational.
It would be objectively immoral for me to shoot bennyboy in the head just like that but it would not be immoral for me to shoot bennyboy in the head if he is running towards me with axe with intention to chop me into pieces.