(March 19, 2014 at 4:29 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: You did know that you're not meant to be able to prove gods right? It's kinda in the description.

They share that in common with many other things that exist only in the imagination.

Given the actions of the God of the OT, talking to people etc, how can you describe it as unprovable?

(March 19, 2014 at 5:12 pm)tor Wrote: Yeah and it is indistinguishable from the one which does not exist.

As for supernatural events you must demonstrate one reliable event.

1. That's precisely how it's meant to be. I thought you were supposed to be objecting to belief in God, not supporting it!

2. Please answer the question I asked of you first, and then I can answer you. Q: tell me what a supernatural event looks like.

I don't know what it looks like I never seen one and I don't think anybody else did either.
I do not support belief in anything which is indistinguishable from something which does not exist. I don't care if it's narnia, ninja turtles or gods. I think there is no need for such a belief either.

I don't go out of my way to tell people I think their religion is wrong. That's just kind of dick move. Like, if they want to discuss religion/atheism or something, that's cool, but if someone is just like, "I went to church today!" I'm not going to be the stereotypical atheist asshole and be all "God doesn't exist! Your beliefs are ridiculous!" How does that make me any different from the twat standing on the street corner saying atheists are fools? Bah.

(March 19, 2014 at 6:08 pm)Bittersmart Wrote: I don't go out of my way to tell people I think their religion is wrong. That's just kind of dick move. Like, if they want to discuss religion/atheism or something, that's cool, but if someone is just like, "I went to church today!" I'm not going to be the stereotypical atheist asshole and be all "God doesn't exist! Your beliefs are ridiculous!" How does that make me any different from the twat standing on the street corner saying atheists are fools? Bah.

I don't say it's ridiculous I just inform them that there is no god. Who knows maybe they don't know. Just telling people the truth. Nothing special or offensive. Maybe they didn't know.

(March 19, 2014 at 6:09 pm)tor Wrote:

(March 19, 2014 at 6:08 pm)Bittersmart Wrote: I don't go out of my way to tell people I think their religion is wrong. That's just kind of dick move. Like, if they want to discuss religion/atheism or something, that's cool, but if someone is just like, "I went to church today!" I'm not going to be the stereotypical atheist asshole and be all "God doesn't exist! Your beliefs are ridiculous!" How does that make me any different from the twat standing on the street corner saying atheists are fools? Bah.

I don't say it's ridiculous I just inform them that there is no god. Who knows maybe they don't know. Just telling people the truth. Nothing special or offensive. Maybe they didn't know.

Yes, but how do you know for a fact there is nothing there? I don't. I lack the belief that there is anything there because there is no evidence, but I don't pretend that I know for sure. I think maybe a better thing to say would be "There is probably no god, so don't worry about it." But I still wouldn't say that, because it's obnoxious to people. No one wants to hear "God doesn't exist" after they ask their friends to pray for their sick aunt, or whatever. They don't fucking care, and it just reinforces the notion that atheists are smarmy dicks.

(March 19, 2014 at 6:17 pm)Bittersmart Wrote:

(March 19, 2014 at 6:09 pm)tor Wrote: I don't say it's ridiculous I just inform them that there is no god. Who knows maybe they don't know. Just telling people the truth. Nothing special or offensive. Maybe they didn't know.

Yes, but how do you know for a fact there is nothing there? I don't. I lack the belief that there is anything there because there is no evidence, but I don't pretend that I know for sure. I think maybe a better thing to say would be "There is probably no god, so don't worry about it." But I still wouldn't say that, because it's obnoxious to people. No one wants to hear "God doesn't exist" after they ask their friends to pray for their sick aunt, or whatever. They don't fucking care, and it just reinforces the notion that atheists are smarmy dicks.

I don't need to know for sure there is no ninja turtles to say they don't exist. If we take it to your extreme we have to be agnostic about everything.
And I don't talk to people about god on funerals.

Precisely. And do you know why no one has seen one? The clue is in the definitions. You are looking for natural evidence of the supernatural. That's pretty dumb.

Why do you think that there is no need for such a belief? Define the belief you're objecting to.

(March 19, 2014 at 6:25 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Precisely. And do you know why no one has seen one? The clue is in the definitions. You are looking for natural evidence of the supernatural. That's pretty dumb.

Why do you think that there is no need for such a belief? Define the belief you're objecting to.

I object to a belief in Gods which do not manifest in reality.

(March 19, 2014 at 6:26 pm)tor Wrote: I object to a belief in Gods which do not manifest in reality.

That's pretty idiotic.