Asking you questions is pointless since you give no answers and keep dancing. Just make a topic with accurate description of your belief then we can talk. I am not gonna run around in circles.

OK so I can look forward to you asking me no more questions? Cool.

I have answered your questions accurately but your understanding is so limited you have no idea what I'm on about. It's going to take a lot more than me listing my beliefs for you for you to begin to learn what it is that you ignorantly dismiss.

Dude just make a topic and stop wasting my time

Dude just ask the question that you promised first

(March 19, 2014 at 3:20 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I was an atheist twice and converted twice

I certainly didn't want it either time

*opens can* So when you were an atheist, (twice) you:

• Believed that ALL religions were contrived by men, and ALL were works of fiction
• Could not accept the claims made by religious people or their “holy” books
• Believed that religious people, of all “faiths” were misguided at best, and delusional at worst
• Believed that physical reality was all that there was, and stories of “creation”, deities, spirits, angels, demons, souls, etc., were merely fantasies

And then somehow you became convinced (on two separate occasions) that Christianity was no longer to be grouped as a falsehood with all other religions, because it is actually the one religion that is true. That the god you now “believe in” is actually real, and that he really did create the universe, and that he really does rule over it. That angels, demons, spirits, etc., are actually real. And that after your death you will be resurrected and you will live forever in the presence of this god.

For some reason, I don’t believe you were ever an atheist (twice), and you are making that claim as some lame attempt at an appeal to authority. I say bullshit. *closes can*

Based on what we read from every missionary passing through here apparently atheists are being 'saved' all the time.

(March 19, 2014 at 9:47 pm)Strongbad Wrote:

(March 19, 2014 at 3:20 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I was an atheist twice and converted twice

I certainly didn't want it either time

*opens can* So when you were an atheist, (twice) you:

• Believed that ALL religions were contrived by men, and ALL were works of fiction
• Could not accept the claims made by religious people or their “holy” books
• Believed that religious people, of all “faiths” were misguided at best, and delusional at worst
• Believed that physical reality was all that there was, and stories of “creation”, deities, spirits, angels, demons, souls, etc., were merely fantasies

And then somehow you became convinced (on two separate occasions) that Christianity was no longer to be grouped as a falsehood with all other religions, because it is actually the one religion that is true. That the god you now “believe in” is actually real, and that he really did create the universe, and that he really does rule over it. That angels, demons, spirits, etc., are actually real. And that after your death you will be resurrected and you will live forever in the presence of this god.

For some reason, I don’t believe you were ever an atheist (twice), and you are making that claim as some lame attempt at an appeal to authority. I say bullshit. *closes can*

What authority is that?!

I grew into atheism as a teenager discussing it with friends. My family weren't religious. They were shocked that I knew hymns from school when we went to church for a christening. That was the only time I remember going to church with my family actually. My mum was atheist. My dad just took the mik.

I remember the moment I chose to disbelieve. It was a kind of relief, but not as revolutionary as my conversion to Christianity the first time. I had a problem then of hating Christians, especially from my denomination. Even people I didn't know. I imagined stabbing them for being nice to me. I married my wife as a Christian and she took the brunt of my vitriol. She's remained with my original denomination throughout. That's probably the biggest contributor to our separation.

When I came to faith again I'd mellowed a lot. I'd had ~15 years to think about it. It was actually discussing atheist clichés like those repeated here that took me down that road. Presenting the logic of why Christians believe what they do against the usual ignorance. I came to a point, for the 2nd time, that my personal reasoning was at odds with my state of belief, so I had no choice but to change it. I chose to believe again.

And yet you can't put into words what this atheistic ignorance and logic of why Christians believe and present it here, and any request for you to do so is met with whining and sniveling.

Start a blog, join a Christian forum, blow your nose about your failed marriage there: your "poor me" emotional appeal isn't covering up the fact you have no logical reasons behind your belief, and are an attention needy self obsessed windbag here to bolster your delusions of superiority.

(March 20, 2014 at 2:35 am)fr0d0 Wrote: When I came to faith again I'd mellowed a lot. I'd had ~15 years to think about it. It was actually discussing atheist clichés like those repeated here that took me down that road. Presenting the logic of why Christians believe what they do against the usual ignorance. I came to a point, for the 2nd time, that my personal reasoning was at odds with my state of belief, so I had no choice but to change it. I chose to believe again.

That's an unusual experience. Most people report being convinced one way or another and finding that their belief had ended or begun, not consciously deciding to believe or not to believe. I didn't decide to become an atheist for instance, I realized that I'm an atheist. Not that you're the only one to put it that way.

It seems weird to me, like you could choose to believe the moon is made of green cheese if you decided that was a good way to go.

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(March 18, 2014 at 11:59 am)tor Wrote:

(March 18, 2014 at 11:58 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: I've only known two with 'atheist cred' who converted. Both had a religious SO and could only give emotional explanations for their change of heart. A little disappointing, we hope for something more tangible as a reason, don't we?

Were they actual atheists? What happened to them?

As far as I could tell. The interesting thing about them is that they were aware that their explanations for why they converted wouldn't be very convincing to skeptics. There's a difference between having been a skeptical atheist and having been an atheist for some other reason.

One was a blogger, it made a little news. The other was a regular poster on the Internet Infidels discussion board. As far as I know, she is still blogging, and the other guy sort of dropped out of sight. Understandable if you're no longer interested in what atheists have to say.

That would me.