Interesting Arac:

for some other balance, I was reviewing Dogherty, found misgivingly; and Dawkins and a Hawkins and jung:
then the likes of Derek Prince and his scholarship from King's... and CS Lewis.

Just seems if i were to build a called-out group,
it would be more than on just some one named 'pebbley' or 'stoney' or called then Petros;
but
would 'build' on a knowledge called petra, "rock"... of some direct connective
-other than that of which-
mis-historicals, and mis-interpretors, and other human-heart-thinking-centers could- if they could- merely disuay

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That recorded conversation of Peter with Jesus asking
"Who do you say that I am?"
-so to understand simply,
but Jesus' seemed-awareness of how Peter knew to be "built" on other knowledge about Jesus on Earth, not passed on by humans;
and later seems even more so, respecting Paul in this as recorded scripture Col 2:9 ; I Cor 3:17; Titus: "Great Savior God" (lit Grk) Jesus, himself and other writ; "...Lord is the spirit (some 'Spirit' transliterated).

re: OP it would seem "I will write it on their hearts" was being fulfilled of a whole Hebraic 'law'

Your post is incomprehensible.

Hi :
At what sentence?
could you specify?

Is it that jesus 'building' on a rock of knowledge of "flesh and blood has not revealed this to you"?
or
do you see Peter as petros and petra, too, which RCC say the ecclesia is built on?

please explain.
I can not understand you.

ACTS 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

but I agree there were scritptural followers of the Way called little-Christs by pagans, long before the 4th century and othe RCC claimed beginnings...

please just ask a question at a first stumbling in a first idea...

You follow cherished Myths about the Catholic Church propagated by those who refuse to acknowledge Historical facts and rewrite History so that they have some of what appears to be credibility.

The Church never added seven books. Early Christians accepted the Septuagint which included the Deuterocanonicals. Martin Luther removed them in the 16th century. The Septuagint which was the Old and New Testament translated by about 70 to 72 Jewish scholars into Greek, which was the popular language of the time. The entire New Testament was written in Greek and the Jews who rejected the Apocrypha (because it was written in Greek) at the council of Jamnia, also rejected Christ and the whole New Testament.

Early Christians accepted the Deuterocanonicals until the time of Martin Luther, more than 1500 years later. In the first four centuries, Church leaders generally recognized these seven books as canonical and Scriptural, following the Greek Septuagint translation of the Old Testament, following the Council of Rome in 382. The earliest Greek manuscripts of the Old Testament: the Codex Sinaiticus(fourth century) and Codex Alexandrinus(450) include the (unseperated) Deuterocanonical books. The Dead Sea Scrolls found at Qumran contained the book of Tobit. Christians accepted the Apocrypha until the reformation.

Where from the Bible did Martin Luther get the authority to take them out? He wasnt soloscriptura afterall.

Bishop Mileto of Sardis, St. Irenaeus, Bishop of Lyons, Wusebius, and Bishop of Caesarea, were some of the various Bishops of the Catholic Church who decided which list of books was to be in the Canon of Sacred Scripture. Pope Damasus 382 AD prompted by the Council of Rome, wrote a decree listing the present OT and NT canon of 73 books. The Council of Hippo in 393AD approved that these books were dvinely inspired. The Council of Carthage (in North Africa 397AD) approved the same OT and NT Canon. It was Catholic Bishops who decided which books would be in the Bible. Jesus did not leave his early followers with a Bible, he left them with a Church.

The Bible is a Catholic book and Protestant Churches get their Bible and many of their traditions from the Roman Catholic Church. The founding Father of the Protestant reformation was a Catholic Priest and every protestant denomination can trace itself back to the Catholic Church.

THe First Protestants took the Catholic BIBLE
Do you get your Bible from the Catholic CHurch? The inventors of Protestantism did

The printing press was invented 65 years before Luther's revolt; and according to Hallam, a Protestant historian, the Catholic Bible was the first hook ever printed. In 1877 there were exhibited hundreds of old Bibles, at South Kensington, England; it was called the “Caxton Exhibition," and among them were nine German editions of the Bible, printed in Germany before Luther was born; and there were more than one hundred editions of the Latin Bible, the very thing Luther is pretended to have "discovered."

Also, you do not understand the definition of solascriptura my friend. Solascriptura means that the BIble is the only and absolute authority. The problem with that is, two people who claim the Bible is their final authority often come to the opposite opinions and both have Scripture to back their claim. But they refuse to accept and obey an authority outside of Scripture. THis behavior, philosophy, and Doctrine, was not Christianity prior to the 16th Century.

and your historical or scientific question is?

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pls study some more.

there is a bit more to "the church" of the followers of the way, friends and others before the 300's...

(eh?)

(March 23, 2014 at 9:36 am)Aractus Wrote: Your post is incomprehensible.

I'd say incoherent. For it can to a certain extent be comprehensible. I was able to comprehend that he/she is not of this world or capable of making sense.

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(March 23, 2014 at 10:23 am)Belev2Know Wrote: and your historical or scientific question is?

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pls study some more.

there is a bit more to "the church" of the followers of the way, friends and others before the 300's...

(eh?)

Are you from a foreign country? No, the real question is you're not from this planet are you? Have you followed the discussion at all. Hello?

Christians had a Church and yes the Apostles had successors. Yes they had direction and an organized Christians body (underground but structured) in the first three centuries.

Now if you don't mind me asking, "who the fuck are you"?

The Bible not to mention Christianity is based in Jewish Mysticism--the Kabbalah which is metaphysical in nature--all based on numbers (numerology) psychological archetypes (tarot and astrology) and how those are expressed in our lives. Metaphysics means comprehensive physics based mostly on numbers and psychology. If you have a very well versed education in metaphysics you will notice the Bible is all written metaphysical terms not literal ones.


Most of the Bible clearly express what Christians refer to as witchcraft and dark craft elsewhere but don't notice it in their own bibles because they decry metaphysics as occult arts or devil worship. So are not educated in it. Are ignorant of the fact they are reading a book they would consider a book of shadows if that book was called anything but the bible. The Bible itself admits to this is. There's been no deception in that respect.

If you asked any Christian if they would smite their neighbor they'd say no . But the US stating itself to be a Christian nation..well I think every country has noticed the US spend a lot of time smiting its neighbor. Of course we don't burn bulls in sacrifice anymore we just burn down entire civilizations ....

Milk for babies, meat for strong men which means belief systems of any sort are for un-self developed people. Beliefs are milk. Like milk people just swallow beliefs, it nourishes babies. We know that. Scientifically babies need milk...Adults don't really. We can get what milk provides from food that babies can't eat. Like cheese. Meat is spiritual precepts that one has to chew on a bit. Something babies can't do. And meat may be tough, may not taste good, may be challenging, hard to swallow.... But meat is responsible for a great many things like growth, and strength. That's metaphysics right there. A comprehensive way of observing something (instead of just swallowing it ). What religion is composed of is a great many unselfdeveloped people. Spiritually immature? Who could tell. But you can observe they are Emotionally immature--not self developed on an emotional level. Children believe in Santa Clause, adults believe in an entity called God who for all intents and purposes appears to be a grown up version of Santa Claus--he's got a list, he's checking it twice, gonna find out whose naughty or nice. If you aren't nice you get a piece of coal..coal burns by the way..like hell.

Nonetheless people will choose the Santa God story because because ..its comforting . How? How some omnipotent angry and unstable entity looking over your life is comforting is beyond me. We wouldn't willfully choose a rather limited human being to partner with but yet who would choose an allpowerful entity of that nature to partner with. Someone under a spell. Someone under hypnosis or otherwise in some altered state of consciousness.


Since no one studies metaphysics anymore (not to be confused with new age bs, which is reupholstered Christianity) no one knows what the Bible is composed of. Insanely enough, Christians don't know its a spell book. It says so right in there. "I"M A spell book. Go-SPEL. Spells (spel in old english) are usually hypnotic in nature-hypnosis depends on scripts. The bible states plainly that its SCRIPT-ures. A book of spells. Books of spells are used to ..cast spells. This is what the bible is telling ...go look at the bible its never been dishonest about this.....who can't see it. People who are under a spell.


Why can't Christians see this when its plainly written in the bible....because the spells are doing what intended. They are under a spell. You can't say the bible is not a functional article, its working all too well for its intended purpose.

Jesus did say , Forgiven them they have no idea what they are doing. Hard to argue with that.

To people who are literate and educated...its simply a means of knowing how people are brainwashed (to use a modern word).

Atheism is a step up from that undeveloped self. A leap of consciousness the breaking of the spel. You might not get it yet..or have all the answers but the first thing you notice is its like waking from a spel. And that people who can't get out from under it..act like they are walking under a spell. There's lots of anger there especially when you look how much damage is caused by three nearly identical religions Islam, Judaism, and Christianity. I can't blame them for that but then again its wasted anger, angry at something that doesn't exist. Just a spel, a story. The Bible says so itself.

And if you give even a cursory once over you'll find Christians don't even believe in their own faith. It's not a faith or belief system....

Maybe its the hypocrisy that makes people--atheists--angry.

For the person who is interpreting the bible in its correct terms.....its simply a means of knowing how undeveloped people are controlled.