(April 11, 2010 at 6:20 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: Has Angelthman demonstrated that Sapience is diffferent from intelligence?
If so I appear to have missed it.

Not in his case.

(April 11, 2010 at 1:07 pm)The_Flying_Skeptic Wrote: I understand AngelThMan's concern: why are we the only species with language and opposable thumbs? scratch the opposable thumbs part. I think that we are the only species with language is a coincidence. Evolutionary biology doesn't say that extremely valuable traits should be found in more than one species on a habitable planet.

The only species that can communicate with each other using double articulation is man, although research into animal signals is still an ongoing process which yields new discoveries whenever we bother to look. Honestly there's nothing 'unique' about us or any other living thing for that matter - every animal has its own means of sending or receiving communicative signals, be it responses to external stimuli or phonemes and so on.

Many theists who assert man is not part of the animal kingdom (tell them they're going to eternal hell in torture is fine, but don't dare call them an evolved primate) argue that their communication systems rely on instinct, and not culturally, from one another. If that were true then what about Prairie dogs who greet each other with kisses? Cetaceans like dolphins or whales? These specimens, and more, display and exhibit complex vocalizations or linguistics involving their vocal cords or other.

Once again theists need to be reminded evolution is not a ladder (I'm getting tired of saying this guys); there is no one superior life-form or superior form of communication.

Geez this isn't limited to just life, even within technology there isn't one single form of communication or means of getting information from all the possible inputs, processes and outputs. Take a look at computers, they have various operating systems and numerous programming languages available, there is no ultimate platform or framework. Well okay, Adrian would argue there's Linux, but until that becomes easier to configure at the boot up I respectfully disagree.

(April 11, 2010 at 2:27 pm)Welsh cake Wrote:

(April 11, 2010 at 1:07 pm)The_Flying_Skeptic Wrote: I understand AngelThMan's concern: why are we the only species with language and opposable thumbs? scratch the opposable thumbs part. I think that we are the only species with language is a coincidence. Evolutionary biology doesn't say that extremely valuable traits should be found in more than one species on a habitable planet.

The only species that can communicate with each other using double articulation is man, although research into animal signals is still an ongoing process which yields new discoveries whenever we bother to look. Honestly there's nothing 'unique' about us or any other living thing for that matter - every animal has its own means of sending or receiving communicative signals, be it responses to external stimuli or phonemes and so on.

Many theists who assert man is not part of the animal kingdom (tell them they're going to eternal hell in torture is fine, but don't dare call them an evolved primate) argue that their communication systems rely on instinct, and not culturally, from one another. If that were true then what about Prairie dogs who greet each other with kisses? Cetaceans like dolphins or whales? These specimens, and more, display and exhibit complex vocalizations or linguistics involving their vocal cords or other.

Once again theists need to be reminded evolution is not a ladder (I'm getting tired of saying this guys); there is no one superior life-form or superior form of communication.

Geez this isn't limited to just life, even within technology there isn't one single form of communication or means of getting information from all the possible inputs, processes and outputs. Take a look at computers, they have various operating systems and numerous programming languages available, there is no ultimate platform or framework. Well okay, Adrian would argue there's Linux, but until that becomes easier to configure at the boot up I respectfully disagree.

I agree with everything above, kudos....except for the Linux comment. GNU/Linux pwns bitch!
It's the same thing I've been preaching for quite a while but every other theist I meet wants to argue. As for the Neanderthal/Homosapien argument.....I still want to know why god bothered to create Neanderthals at all. Also, I've heard several evolutionary theists tell me we don't evolve (but every other creature does? okay.....). I just give them the wtf face.

People don't need to look far to see the evidence of God, it's all around us.

God's creation is all around us, the sophistication of life is evident through the use of powerful microscopes. Everything is designed by a master craftsman. You don't have to read too many science books to be in complete awe of how everything works together. There is not one fault, not one mistake, not one single flaw. Even disease has it's purpose, everything is recycled over time.

The reason why people refuse to believe in God is not due to a lack of evidence it is due to a lack of room in their heart. There is no room for God. A belief in God will cramp their style, it will infringe on their freedom. It will cause them to become narrow minded and dare I say it, "religious". The negative connotations associated with the subject of religion could easily conjure up a 10,000 word essay. It's not cool to revere and worship God. "I don't need God, I can do it on my own". It's easier to be arrogant than to be humble, humility requires a great deal of effort, too much effort for most.

I am a sinner just like everybody else, but I stand in awe of God. Life is so short and we are so fragile. Don't waste your life by simply feeding your own ego. Make some room for God in your heart and he will make room for you in the next life.

(April 11, 2010 at 6:12 pm)The Piper Wrote:

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People don't need to look far to see the evidence of God, it's all around us.

God's creation is all around us, the sophistication of life is evident through the use of powerful microscopes. Everything is designed by a master craftsman. You don't have to read too many science books to be in complete awe of how everything works together. There is not one fault, not one mistake, not one single flaw. Even disease has it's purpose, everything is recycled over time.

The reason why people refuse to believe in God is not due to a lack of evidence it is due to a lack of room in their heart. There is no room for God. A belief in God will cramp their style, it will infringe on their freedom. It will cause them to become narrow minded and dare I say it, "religious". The negative connotations associated with the subject of religion could easily conjure up a 10,000 word essay. It's not cool to revere and worship God. "I don't need God, I can do it on my own". It's easier to be arrogant than to be humble, humility requires a great deal of effort, too much effort for most.

I am a sinner just like everybody else, but I stand in awe of God. Life is so short and we are so fragile. Don't waste your life by simply feeding your own ego. Make some room for God in your heart and he will make room for you in the next life.

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Really? Everything is designed by a mastercraftsman? Anthropomorphize much?

Way to go for the appeal to ignorance too, on the science book bit. And excellent work for redefining all of us to readily fit within your preconceived notions.

You know what? I'd rather "waste" my life actually fucking living than groveling to some crackpot sand nazi with delusions of graduer. Let god suck his own dick - I ain't helpin'.

(April 11, 2010 at 6:12 pm)The Piper Wrote: People don't need to look far to see the evidence of God, it's all around us.

God's creation is all around us, the sophistication of life is evident through the use of powerful microscopes. Everything is designed by a master craftsman. You don't have to read too many science books to be in complete awe of how everything works together. There is not one fault, not one mistake, not one single flaw. Even disease has it's purpose, everything is recycled over time.

The reason why people refuse to believe in God is not due to a lack of evidence it is due to a lack of room in their heart. There is no room for God. A belief in God will cramp their style, it will infringe on their freedom. It will cause them to become narrow minded and dare I say it, "religious". The negative connotations associated with the subject of religion could easily conjure up a 10,000 word essay. It's not cool to revere and worship God. "I don't need God, I can do it on my own". It's easier to be arrogant than to be humble, humility requires a great deal of effort, too much effort for most.

I am a sinner just like everybody else, but I stand in awe of God. Life is so short and we are so fragile. Don't waste your life by simply feeding your own ego. Make some room for God in your heart and he will make room for you in the next life.

I swear to god you're a fuckin troll. It's probably someone within this community with too much free time. But who? hmm.......

Seriously though, what is it with these "Christians" and their overly generic names?

LOL @ The Piper (guess we are the rats?)

Mebbe it is one troll or a stupid christian site has decided to do drive by shits...

Christ man, why does the staff here allow this chunk of emesis to remain posting here?

His entertainment value has dried up and if that post above isn't a fine example of preaching then I don't know what is.

Ban stick worthy.

Spear the troll!!!!!!! Impale ftw!

That was my first post on this website, I didn't expect such quick responses.

Am I not allowed to post my views?