Just wanted to get your thoughts. I don't think they can.

manowar

I agree. Religion teaches things that are demonstrably wrong and which science has proved. It is incompatible unless the theists uses amazing mental gymnastics to make it so that they believe in both. This is one of the reasons I dislike religion so much. We are too tolerant of peoples beliefs and even though people get hurt because of them, we still do nothing. Look at that snake handler guy that died because he believed the venom wouldn't hurt him.

No. Taking things on faith itself is profoundly unscien-fucking-tific.

Question is a category error. Science is a method. Religion is a sociological construct. Clearly both exist, so in the crude sense the answer is yes. However one can't really make a direct link between the two.

FAITH is a method. Faith and science cannot be USED in conjunction. But then again chilli and ice cream can't be used in conjunction either (unless you have a weird pallete). They do however coexist.

Why would I want it to coexist? Religion is fucking stupid.

If we're talking about coexisting in one person's set of beliefs, no, I don't think they can.

If we're talking about competing methods of gaining knowledge, they can, but only if religion learns to respect boundaries. It tends to have a problem with that.

However religion and science can coexist in one mind if you are as fucked up as John Lennox is.

(March 29, 2014 at 10:15 am)tor Wrote: However religion and science can coexist in one mind if you are as fucked up as John Lennox is.

Of course it can.

In an abstract sense, both exist, therefore they co-exist. In a personal sense, since there have been religious scientists, they certainly can. I mean in that sense science also co-exists with alcaholism, mental illness and diabetes.

(March 29, 2014 at 10:15 am)tor Wrote: However religion and science can coexist in one mind if you are as fucked up as John Lennox is.

I don't know who that is, but my dad has a Ph.D. in organic chemistry and calls himself a Christian. I called him out about it one time when I was telling him that I didn't believe in god. I asked him how he could just throw all of the principles of science that he raised me to use and still be a Christian. He eventually said that it was a matter of faith and it was dropped. I have never talked to him about it since, but I can tell he gets uncomfortable when I mention religion.


I think it's because he's conflicted about being a scientist and having faith in Jesus, and he's worried that I might push the issue. For instance, when I was younger, he was always ripping on Y.E.C.'s and how silly they were for going against science. Now, whenever I make I fun of Y.E.C.'s he just kind of gives out this uncomfortable chuckle.

My dad is certainly not fucked up and is easily the most intelligent, well-educated person I know, but I think he's suffering cognitive dissonance from his conflicting worldviews.

(March 29, 2014 at 10:26 am)Jacob(smooth) Wrote:

(March 29, 2014 at 10:15 am)tor Wrote: However religion and science can coexist in one mind if you are as fucked up as John Lennox is.

Of course it can.

In an abstract sense, both exist, therefore they co-exist. In a personal sense, since there have been religious scientists, they certainly can. I mean in that sense science also co-exists with alcaholism, mental illness and diabetes.