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Quote:Vegetarians who don’t eat dairy products can get ample calcium from foods such as tofu and tempeh, fortified soy and rice milk, fortified orange juice, broccoli, leafy greens and almonds.
Or...they can just slit their throats and end the suffering quickly!
(April 4, 2014 at 9:21 pm)Bad Writer Wrote: I agree that going Vegan is a bit extreme, as a person has to give up all animal products just to eat the way they wish to, but it's a serious logical fallacy to say that since a few ex-vegans seemed more sickly prior to putting meat back into their diets that this same condition applies equally to every Vegan out there.
Well that's certainly not my argument. Whether or not it applies equally doesn't alter the thesis that people need meat in their diets.
Quote:Also, if a person chooses to go Vegan due to a philosophical and moral conviction, it is wrong for us to mandate that they eat a non-vegan diet. It is akin to us trying to force an individual who doesn't like to eat spaghetti to do so.
If an adult wants to eat a certain way, then they may. If one ailing Vegan feels better after eating a steak, is that really reason to tell perfectly healthy Vegans that they must follow suit? Think about it.
Your argument is a serious logical fallacy right there: Harley was brought up vegan, he didn't make a choice it was forced on him by his parents - and despite his health problems, from the age of four, they never considered adding meat to his diet. There's a serious moral issue there and it's not that adults shouldn't get to chose what they eat.
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50.-LINK
The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea.-LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke
Any diet can be healthy is its balanced, a meat diet can be healthy if it had lots of vegetables and fruit. I'm a vegetarian myself, mainly because it agrees with me, its really silly to argue one is better than the other, as I said there all good if correctly balanced.
April 4, 2014 at 11:44 pm (This post was last modified: April 4, 2014 at 11:50 pm by Aractus.)
(April 4, 2014 at 10:39 pm)psychoslice Wrote: Any diet can be healthy is its balanced, a meat diet can be healthy if it had lots of vegetables and fruit. I'm a vegetarian myself, mainly because it agrees with me, its really silly to argue one is better than the other, as I said there all good if correctly balanced.
Well, that's a theory, and the competing theory is that cereal grains, especially in high amounts, are bad for humans and particularly bad for some humans which means that we have to eat meat.
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50.-LINK
The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea.-LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke
I like meat too much. (Take that any way you want.) I wonder if this whole thread is just one big argument about misreading the facts. We know that correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation, and there are many examples of Vegans that are perfectly healthy.
Perhaps going Vegan should be a choice that only an adult can make for oneself, not to be imposed on anyone else, even their children? What do you think, Aractus? Think we should do the same with religion, or does that get a free pass?
April 5, 2014 at 1:04 am (This post was last modified: April 5, 2014 at 1:04 am by Aractus.)
(April 4, 2014 at 11:57 pm)Bad Writer Wrote: I like meat too much. (Take that any way you want.) I wonder if this whole thread is just one big argument about misreading the facts. We know that correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation, and there are many examples of Vegans that are perfectly healthy.
True, but it doesn't mean it will be healthy for everyone and it also doesn't mean there won't be negative long term effects.
Quote:Perhaps going Vegan should be a choice that only an adult can make for oneself, not to be imposed on anyone else, even their children? What do you think, Aractus?
Absolutely, I think children should be taught proper nutrition and not raised vegetarian at their parent's will.
Quote:Think we should do the same with religion, or does that get a free pass?
A little off-topic, so I've put it in hide tags.
(April 4, 2014 at 11:57 pm)Bad Writer Wrote: Think we should do the same with religion, or does that get a free pass?
There are two ways to look at that, the first is that children are forced to go to school against their will, and to do other things against their will by their parents. So while a parent can force their child to go to Church, it may be appropriate, and it may not be appropriate. I would say if the child is old enough to be left home alone it may be responsible to give them the choice. On the other hand, many churches have a crèche and/or Sunday school which allows a parent to have some time to themselves while someone else looks after their children, and you also need to consider the needs of the parent.
In fact there's a young-mum's group at my church that meets for fellowship/study once a week and somebody provides a crèche so that they can do so without having their children there as well, that provides them with a great opportunity to have a break from their kids for a couple of hours.
So yes I would agree with you that so long as the choice is appropriate a child should have the choice.
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50.-LINK
The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea.-LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke
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