(April 19, 2014 at 6:17 pm)Sid Wrote: Remove religion or any form of moral compass, isn't this called "a good night out" to the average atheist?

Replace the pre-pubescent girls with pre-pubescent boys, and isn't this called "a good night out" to the average Catholic?

(April 19, 2014 at 6:28 pm)Esquilax Wrote:

(April 19, 2014 at 6:17 pm)Sid Wrote: From a religious point of view this is considered a tragic situation, but remove religion or any form of moral compass, isn't this called "a good night out" to the average atheist?

If you removed any form of moral compass which, coincidentally, atheists do not do. We have our own moral code, constructed from things a little more firm and reasonable than "magic man sez not to, not because he dislikes rape, but because he only wants us to have sex when we're married."

As a rather disturbing consequence though, you have inadvertently revealed the fact that you consider the rape of underage girls to be a pleasant thing, and that the only thing stopping you from doing so is that, indeed, magic man is threatening you if you do. We atheists don't consider rape and pedophilia a "good night out," but you clearly do.

And what wise man in today's society, or your atheist belief system, sets such moral standards? Seeing that MAN is infinitely flawed, what, or more precisely, "who" is king of the jungle for you? Politics? Science? The Courts? You Father in law? Old man Charles from down the street? It would seem to me the promise of being an atheist should lead me to a conclusion that whatever is good for me, no one else matters. I will anticipate replies of how generous and loving and charitable ya'll are. But why would you? You have no Almighty watching, so screw the next guy, and take what's yours. And hurry up because you only live here for a short time, and you don't have an eternity waiting for you, So, go get while the getting is good.

By the way, have a Happy and Blessed Easter!

I see you didn't take my advice about pulling your head out of your ass, I'm so surprised.

(April 20, 2014 at 11:36 am)Sid Wrote: And what wise man in today's society, or your atheist belief system, sets such moral standards?

Incoherence aside, I think I get what you meant. I can't answer for other atheists since we have no dogma, but I don't really need anyone to tell me right from wrong on most matters. When there is a complicated or unclear ethical issue I usually speak with others that I know to be trustworthy and generally what I know to be "good".

My moral system, given some thought, is in accordance with a lot of W.D. Ross' prima facie duties (ethical pluralism).



These duties are prioritized according to what situation they are being applied to and really the list is incomplete but this is what came to mind.

(April 20, 2014 at 11:36 am)Sid Wrote: Seeing that MAN is infinitely flawed, what, or more precisely, "who" is king of the jungle for you? Politics? Science? The Courts? You Father in law? Old man Charles from down the street?

(April 20, 2014 at 11:36 am)Sid Wrote: It would seem to me the promise of being an atheist should lead me to a conclusion that whatever is good for me, no one else matters.

That's because you're a misguided, biased simpleton.

(April 20, 2014 at 11:36 am)Sid Wrote: I will anticipate replies of how generous and loving and charitable ya'll are.

Again;

(April 20, 2014 at 11:36 am)Sid Wrote: But why would you? You have no Almighty watching, so screw the next guy, and take what's yours. And hurry up because you only live here for a short time, and you don't have an eternity waiting for you, So, go get while the getting is good.

I'm getting tired of the same one;

(April 20, 2014 at 11:36 am)Sid Wrote: By the way, have a Happy and Blessed Easter!

Blow it out your ass.

(April 20, 2014 at 11:36 am)Sid Wrote:

(April 19, 2014 at 6:28 pm)Esquilax Wrote: If you removed any form of moral compass which, coincidentally, atheists do not do. We have our own moral code, constructed from things a little more firm and reasonable than "magic man sez not to, not because he dislikes rape, but because he only wants us to have sex when we're married."

As a rather disturbing consequence though, you have inadvertently revealed the fact that you consider the rape of underage girls to be a pleasant thing, and that the only thing stopping you from doing so is that, indeed, magic man is threatening you if you do. We atheists don't consider rape and pedophilia a "good night out," but you clearly do.

And what wise man in today's society, or your atheist belief system, sets such moral standards? Seeing that MAN is infinitely flawed, what, or more precisely, "who" is king of the jungle for you? Politics? Science? The Courts? You Father in law? Old man Charles from down the street? It would seem to me the promise of being an atheist should lead me to a conclusion that whatever is good for me, no one else matters. I will anticipate replies of how generous and loving and charitable ya'll are. But why would you? You have no Almighty watching, so screw the next guy, and take what's yours. And hurry up because you only live here for a short time, and you don't have an eternity waiting for you, So, go get while the getting is good.

By the way, have a Happy and Blessed Easter!

Are you seriously so sick and fucked up in the head that you need an almighty to give you morals? That sounds like a personal problem to me. By all means, if you are a horrible monster with no sympathy, empathy, or compassion please keep believing in god and hell.
I, however, need no almighty power to tell me how to behave. No threats of burning for eternity nor promises of eternal bliss are necessary. I am simply not inclined to hurt anyone. I find the idea of inflicting pain on others to be abhorrent. Maybe I am selfish, because I have been told that at some deep level inside I have evolved to be kind to other people because it benefits me to do so. But I don't ever think about it, I never sit around and contemplate shall I be kind and considerate to people or shall I be horrible and cruel, and why?
I just don't ever consider being cruel as an option. It never comes up in my mind until some douche on the internet asks me how I can stop myself from raping and killing if I don't believe in gawd. And then then, you know, the most prevalent thought in my mind is, if the only reason you refrain from pedophilia, rape, murder, etc. is because god, then you are not a man you are a monster.

(April 20, 2014 at 11:36 am)Sid Wrote:

(April 19, 2014 at 6:28 pm)Esquilax Wrote: If you removed any form of moral compass which, coincidentally, atheists do not do. We have our own moral code, constructed from things a little more firm and reasonable than "magic man sez not to, not because he dislikes rape, but because he only wants us to have sex when we're married."

As a rather disturbing consequence though, you have inadvertently revealed the fact that you consider the rape of underage girls to be a pleasant thing, and that the only thing stopping you from doing so is that, indeed, magic man is threatening you if you do. We atheists don't consider rape and pedophilia a "good night out," but you clearly do.

And what wise man in today's society, or your atheist belief system, sets such moral standards? Seeing that MAN is infinitely flawed, what, or more precisely, "who" is king of the jungle for you? Politics? Science? The Courts? You Father in law? Old man Charles from down the street? It would seem to me the promise of being an atheist should lead me to a conclusion that whatever is good for me, no one else matters. I will anticipate replies of how generous and loving and charitable ya'll are. But why would you? You have no Almighty watching, so screw the next guy, and take what's yours. And hurry up because you only live here for a short time, and you don't have an eternity waiting for you, So, go get while the getting is good.

By the way, have a Happy and Blessed Easter!

At what age did you abandon reason for madness?

If nothing else, your post reveals that none of us are even half as fucked up and as sick in the head as you are, friend.

Please stay away from other people. You seem like a dangerous and delusional individual. Thanks

(April 20, 2014 at 11:36 am)Sid Wrote: And what wise man in today's society, or your atheist belief system, sets such moral standards?

I know rote learned, simplistic commandments might be appealing to you, and so this might blow your mind, but why does it need to be one person? Why can't we accept a constantly evolving morality that grows as we learn more and share experiences together?

Quote:Seeing that MAN is infinitely flawed, what, or more precisely, "who" is king of the jungle for you? Politics? Science? The Courts? You Father in law? Old man Charles from down the street?

Would you not agree that we're living in reality together, all of us, and that there are certain sets of predictable reactions to stimuli that we generally share? Maybe it's scary to you, to think of having to consider your own morals based on observation and careful justification of the facts we're presented with and how they apply to us, but some of us are more happy to think before we act.

Quote: It would seem to me the promise of being an atheist should lead me to a conclusion that whatever is good for me, no one else matters.

It's funny, of all of us, the one who doesn't see the use of moral acts is the theist who demands that we don't. All I'm getting out of this is that you're a moral degenerate who can produce no reason to act as a moral, empathetic human being without being threatened. It really paints a poor picture of you, dude.

Other people matter because we succeed more often when we cooperate, and we're wired to be happy as social animals. Is that so hard?

Quote:I will anticipate replies of how generous and loving and charitable ya'll are. But why would you? You have no Almighty watching, so screw the next guy, and take what's yours.

Except that with my help, the next guy can be a part of a society that makes us both happy and prosperous, even if we've never met. Are you so completely intellectually stunted that you can't even look at the world we live in, and how much of our lives hang on our ability to cooperate?

And again, thank you for making the subtext that you can't figure out why anyone would act like a person without a cosmic standover man making you scared.

Quote: And hurry up because you only live here for a short time, and you don't have an eternity waiting for you, So, go get while the getting is good.

My short time here is enhanced by the people around me, my friends and family. I'm very sorry that you don't feel anything for any other human on this planet, it must be a lonely existence.

(April 20, 2014 at 11:36 am)Sid Wrote: You have no Almighty watching, so screw the next guy, and take what's yours.

Are you just trying to be the most hilariously ironic Catholic in the history of af.org? Because if so, you're doing great!

Sorry for the delay folks I had a beautiful Easter dinner with my friends and family. Jesus has risen! Purely outstanding! Perhaps I am completely naive as this is my first atheist forum, but I don't really understand the outward name calling. Is it customary on this site to make wild assertions of a persons character or purpose? Should I, in return, be as offensive to sound or appear to have more conviction? Folks, unless you haven't learned yet, just because your louder, angrier, aggressive, or treating, doesn't make you right. I've sat through too many conferences, meetings, or events to be swayed by other's agendas. No matter how passionate!

What is so promising or what is the compelling benefit a person would gain from being an atheist? Why am I inferior and you are superior?

(April 20, 2014 at 9:34 pm)Sid Wrote: Sorry for the delay folks I had a beautiful Easter dinner with my friends and family. Jesus has risen! Purely outstanding! Perhaps I am completely naive as this is my first atheist forum, but I don't really understand the outward name calling. Is it customary on this site to make wild assertions of a persons character or purpose? Should I, in return, be as offensive to sound or appear to have more conviction? Folks, unless you haven't learned yet, just because your louder, angrier, aggressive, or treating, doesn't make you right. I've sat through too many conferences, meetings, or events to be swayed by other's agendas. No matter how passionate!

What is so promising or what is the compelling benefit a person would gain from being an atheist? Why am I inferior and you are superior?

What agenda? We are just hanging out together we aren't trying to convert anyone.
You said "You have no Almighty watching, so screw the next guy, and take what's yours" if you genuinely believe that not believing in god means we have no morals, then that is why you are inferior.

Quote:Jesus has risen!

My dick rose this morning....which is more than fucking jesus ever did.

Now that was blessed!