(April 23, 2014 at 3:14 pm)ThePinsir Wrote: I don't know. I'm not afraid to admit that. I'm not a physicist. Let me google it real quick...


Ok, General Relativity says that Maxwell's Equations work with any inertial frames.

Maxwell's equations depend on the permeability of free space being a constant. How do you know the permeability of free space is a constant and not random....just appearing to be constant as a matter of happenstance?

(April 23, 2014 at 9:19 am)Zen Badger Wrote: Seen this before, it's Ray Comfort and it's been carefully edited to cut out anyone who answered his question.

Ray Comfort: liar, fraud, conman.

(April 23, 2014 at 3:33 pm)Heywood Wrote: Maxwell's equations depend on the permeability of free space being a constant. How do you know the permeability of free space is a constant and not random....just appearing to be constant as a matter of happenstance?

What type of bullshit are you thrusting on us now? What is the difference between constant and appearing to be constant? I hope you're joking with this. Are you using the same reasoning that YECs use to claim that dinosaur bones were buried by satan to test us? Or that photons from stars were created 'on their way' in order to make the stars appear distant?

I'll make this simple. If you can't show that μ0 isn't constant then your "just appearing to be constant as a matter of happenstance" is the same as "what if D.O.G. really spelled cat"; i.e., meaningless bullshit.

How do I know μ0 is constant? Because Maxwell's equations work every fucking time.

(April 23, 2014 at 3:33 pm)Heywood Wrote: Maxwell's equations depend on the permeability of free space being a constant. How do you know the permeability of free space is a constant and not random....just appearing to be constant as a matter of happenstance?

I can't conceive of any way that empty space can be anything but perfectly permeable.

Also, like ^ said, they work every time.

(April 23, 2014 at 3:33 pm)Heywood Wrote:

(April 23, 2014 at 3:14 pm)ThePinsir Wrote: I don't know. I'm not afraid to admit that. I'm not a physicist. Let me google it real quick...


Ok, General Relativity says that Maxwell's Equations work with any inertial frames.

Maxwell's equations depend on the permeability of free space being a constant. How do you know the permeability of free space is a constant and not random....just appearing to be constant as a matter of happenstance?

Not just permeability, but also permittivity!

And you know what? Stars all around us shine. Each star sends out a signature which can be interpreted as its elementary composition, the radiation emission spectrum. Mapping the stars, we find that there a few different sets which only change due to an apparent shift towards the lower frequencies, the so-called redshift.
Down here on Earth, we can analyze the emission spectrum of each known element of the periodic table and compare that to the spectrum of the stars... They match amazingly well, which tells us that light propagates through space in the same manner as it does within our earthly proximity... And that the elements on those far away stars are the same as those on Earth. QM is the model which shows us how those elements give rise to their particular spectra.


Also, don't forget that this planet is moving through space around the sun... the sun is moving around the galactic center... and the galaxy is moving... somewhere.... in all, the planet is moving quite a lot relative to stationary space. And since the first measurement of the speed of light until today, thousands upon thousands of college students have been measuring it every year... it is always the same, regardless of where it has been measured. Even on the ISS and on the moon.

This just to show that Maxwell's equations, as well as QM, are valid everywhere we look... sometimes, with a little help from General Relativity.

Then there's dark matter.... why don't you pick on that and get called off for a god-of-the-gaps argument?

Oh, and since you ask:
http://physics.nist.gov/cgi-bin/cuu/Value?ep0
http://physics.nist.gov/cgi-bin/cuu/Value?mu0

Heywood, this is great. Question everything. Every single thing. It'll help you learn so much new stuff. Let us know when you've applied this new life skill to your religious beliefs :)

(April 23, 2014 at 4:19 pm)Cato Wrote: What type of bullshit are you thrusting on us now? What is the difference between constant and appearing to be constant? I hope you're joking with this. Are you using the same reasoning that YECs use to claim that dinosaur bones were buried by satan to test us? Or that photons from stars were created 'on their way' in order to make the stars appear distant?

Thepinsir wanted to be interviewed by an asshat like Comfort to see how he would preform. So I helped him by pretending to be that asshat.

I don't think he did any better than people in the video.

(April 23, 2014 at 4:19 pm)Cato Wrote: How do I know μ0 is constant? Because Maxwell's equations work every fucking time.

Could be the result of happenstance.

Look all ThePinsir or the people in the video have to say is, "I have faith in our observations being correct". There is nothing wrong with believing what you see. You guys act as if "faith" is some dirty taboo word....Comfort takes advantage of that.

(April 23, 2014 at 5:45 pm)Heywood Wrote: There is nothing wrong with believing what you see. You guys act as if "faith" is some dirty taboo word....Comfort takes advantage of that.

Comfort is an asshat for equivocating between religious faith and scientific assumptions that are backed by observation, calculation, and fit to a coherent model.

That his target audience doesn't know the difference, and he takes advantage of it, makes him a fucking fraud.

Heywood,
It's impossible for me to accept that you were just role playing for Pinser's edification when you immediately continue to float the notion that innumerable measured events/conditions aren't really constant, but rather just a large collection of chance occurrences that just happen to arrive at the same value every time.

Ray really needs to read a book. First he never defines kind. Second he ask questions and ignores the answers.