(April 27, 2014 at 4:53 pm)Stephanie Wrote:

(April 27, 2014 at 4:48 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Thanks Steph. I'm not sure what kind of hell you personally believe in, but I sometimes wonder why the only other option we're given is sometimes described as unending burning torture. I also sometimes wonder if Mary and Jesus actually had free will, since they were sinless. Or if people have free will in Heaven, since that's also a place without sin. Those are the kinds of questions that come to mind when people bring up free will when trying to explain why people sin.

Christianity doesn't seem to be as clear cut as the believers want people like me to believe it is. I guess that's just my disconnection with Jesus talking.

It is the only other option because if you deny God the only thing remaining is pure evil. hell. Mary was not sinless, she was a human being like the rest of us. As for Jesus, he was litterally God. If God has free will is a whole other debate. And we will have free will in heaven, a true believer would not sin there.
It is clear cut, you simply need to open your heart to it.

(April 27, 2014 at 4:55 pm)Stephanie Wrote: He doesn't provide evidence.

(April 27, 2014 at 4:32 pm)Stephanie Wrote: Atheists why won't you realize God allows you to CHOOSE to go to hell? He gives everyone free will to make whatever decision they so desire. Therefore he allows you to not believe in him and choose eternal damnation. God is all loving, he hates to see his children go to hell, yet for us to truly feel any happiness evil must exist and we must be allowed to choose it over good. Otherwise we would be mindless robots, not capable of joy or sadness. God gave us the greatest gift imaginable, use it as you will. And please choose God's free love gift.

(April 27, 2014 at 4:32 pm)Stephanie Wrote: Atheists..choose God's.. love gift.

(April 27, 2014 at 4:57 pm)Chad32 Wrote:

(April 27, 2014 at 4:53 pm)Stephanie Wrote: It is the only other option because if you deny God the only thing remaining is pure evil. hell. Mary was not sinless, she was a human being like the rest of us. As for Jesus, he was litterally God. If God has free will is a whole other debate. And we will have free will in heaven, a true believer would not sin there.
It is clear cut, you simply need to open your heart to it.

Ok. I had heard that Mary was made sinless so she could be a proper vessel for Jesus' birth. Also I wasn't sure if you thought Jesus was literally Yahweh in the flesh or not.

If it's possible to have free will without sin, why not get rid of sin? What do we have to lose from being sinless? Obviously it isn't free will.

(April 27, 2014 at 4:55 pm)Stephanie Wrote:

(April 27, 2014 at 4:51 pm)Beccs Wrote: And there's a demonstartion of your ignorance of atheists.

Many WERE faithful believers. Many, I would also suggest, were far more devout than you.

So we come into a vicious circle: All-knowing god creates people it knows it will send to hell, many of whom believe in it. Deity refuses to provide the evidence of its existence, even when asked by those faithful. Faithful give up belief in deity. Deity sends them to hell.

Again, why is this deity worthy of worship.

And don't play the "They weren't real Christians" card. Because that's just ignorant.

He doesn't provide evidence because it would violate free will. And you weren't true Christians because a true Christian would never doubt God. Perhaps you were at one point, but clearly you allowed Satan into your heart.

(April 27, 2014 at 4:59 pm)Stephanie Wrote:

(April 27, 2014 at 4:57 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Ok. I had heard that Mary was made sinless so she could be a proper vessel for Jesus' birth. Also I wasn't sure if you thought Jesus was literally Yahweh in the flesh or not.

If it's possible to have free will without sin, why not get rid of sin? What do we have to lose from being sinless? Obviously it isn't free will.

They may sin if they wish to, but the true followers of God would choose not to.

(April 27, 2014 at 4:55 pm)Stephanie Wrote:

(April 27, 2014 at 4:51 pm)Beccs Wrote: And there's a demonstartion of your ignorance of atheists.

Many WERE faithful believers. Many, I would also suggest, were far more devout than you.

So we come into a vicious circle: All-knowing god creates people it knows it will send to hell, many of whom believe in it. Deity refuses to provide the evidence of its existence, even when asked by those faithful. Faithful give up belief in deity. Deity sends them to hell.

Again, why is this deity worthy of worship.

And don't play the "They weren't real Christians" card. Because that's just ignorant.

He doesn't provide evidence because it would violate free will. And you weren't true Christians because a true Christian would never doubt God. Perhaps you were at one point, but clearly you allowed Satan into your heart.

(April 27, 2014 at 4:57 pm)Kitanetos Wrote:

(April 27, 2014 at 4:55 pm)Stephanie Wrote: He doesn't provide evidence.

Well, that settles it then. I do not have to believe in your god. After all, it would be silly to believe in something without the proper evidence to supoort its existence.

Thank you.

Now I can continue to be a reasonable heathen.